Pick Up Artist

Cruel Intentions Seduction

2007-01-30T08:47:00.000-08:00

enjoy

Direct explanation video

2007-01-23T08:18:00.000-08:00

E-Harmony

2007-01-21T18:09:00.000-08:00


A funny spoof of E-Harmony.

Pick up lines

2007-01-19T08:32:00.000-08:00

pick up lines

Mighty Wingman

2007-01-17T10:13:00.000-08:00

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Here's to having a great wingman!

Direct-Method.com/invisionboard down

2007-01-16T08:18:00.000-08:00

I've recieved word that the direct method forum is currently down. It's due to hosting issues. Robert and Ranko are screaming at the hosting company as we speak to get things back to normal.

In the meantime there is always

Themajecticself.com
and
badboycafe.com

1/17/07 Update seems to be working again.

Loverboy Tribute to Sarging

2007-01-15T17:07:00.000-08:00

here is Loverboy's tribute to Sarging Video

This version is updated for 2006 with Loverboy's shout out to Real Social Dynamics.

Badboylifestyle Worst video on Youtube.

2007-01-14T03:43:00.000-08:00

This has a few negative comments about being the worst video/uploader on uptube. You be the judge.

If you were a great seducer would you have dildos and such?

Badboylifestyle

Ranko Magami Fake Smile Videos

2007-01-14T03:31:00.000-08:00

pickup101 A Real Life School For Scoundrels?

2007-01-13T14:07:00.000-08:00

A Real Life School For Scoundrels?
A real life 'School for Scoundrels' has been teaching men confidence and the skills to meet
women. Based out of San Francisco, Lance Mason's PickUp 101 has taught men from all over
the world how to meet the woman of their dreams.
San Francisco, CA (PRWEB) September 29, 2006 -- Lance Mason teaches men how to be confident and how
to date the women of their dreams, similar to Dr. P (Billy Bob Thornton) in the new hit movie School of
Scoundrels.
Mason's 'school' has been around for three years now and has taught men from all over the world the
confidence and skills they need to be attractive to women.
There are some important differences however, "We don't use paint ball or military tactics" Mason explains,
"we just teach men how to confidently approach and get dates with the kind of women they have always
wanted. We give them confidence and confidence is attractive."
PickUp 101 teaches men how to understand women and what they really find attractive in a man. "The good
news is any guy can do it." Mason says, "Being attractive doesn't involve 6-pack abs, big bank accounts, or
how much hair you have on your head."
PickUp 101 has developed a series of exercises that teaches each man the skills to attract women. "Someone
once referred to us as Cosmo for men, but we go much deeper than that." Says Senior Instructor Sean
Newman, "We actually teach men how to connect with women. We want these guys to have long lasting
relationships."
A typical workshop is 3-days long, and includes a long day of training in the classroom learning about body
language, banter, storytelling to convey personality, how attraction works, and how to understand social
dynamics. Then the students go out to meet women in real situations with our coaches watching every move.
There is also practice with women. "We actually use real women in our programs, and they won't knock the
guys down either." says Mason, referring to the scene with Michael Clark Duncan dressed as woman. "But
they will be very honest and tell him how he comes across. It's great feedback."
There is also a style consultation for each man. "First impressions are huge and it's difficult to overcome a
bad one." explains Mason, "We want to make it easier for our clients, and most guys are clueless about fashion
when they come to us."
PickUp 101's programs run almost every weekend in San Francisco, and have expanded to New York,
Washington D.C., and are looking to add Montreal, London, and Amsterdam early next year.
Perhaps Mason's School for Scoundrels will soon be coming to a city near you.
Lance Mason is the founder PickUp 101 (www.PickUp101.com), is the author of Everything You Know
About Women Is Wrong, and has been featured in USA Today, San Francisco Magazine, Razor Magazine,
and Interviews With Dating Gurus.

Says it all to me about pickup101

there is more to learn about them located here
Pickup 101 Truth thread

Ross Jefferies and Yates Straightforward split

2007-01-10T08:01:00.000-08:00

Well, it's coming a little later in the day than I had hoped, but it is now
official:

Speed Seduction� has a new home and NEW official website:

http://www.speedseduction.biz

We will be up and running, ready for business on Monday.

I'm proud to have started up my own biz, where you can not only buy my current product line, but the new products AND services that I am working on creating, DIRECTLY FROM ME.

More importantly, you can learn WHILE you earn with our exciting new affiliate program.

Here's the scoop:

Go to the site and sign up to be an affiliate right here:

http://www.speedseduction.biz/affiliate.php

You'll be given your own affiliate link. Just paste it in your emails, on your website, etc and whenever anyone clicks on your link they will be led to the new site. You will get 20% gross commission not only on their first purchase, but ANYTIME they buy in the future, the sale will be tracked to you and you still get your commission!

With our shopping cart, you can log in and check your commissions 24/7 and you get paid by check or pay pal once a month.

So get over to the new website, and stay tuned for my 2007 seminar schedule. It looks like I'll be officially returning to teaching in March, after a year of taking a well needed rest. And I can tell you, I've got stuff you won't believe, awesome breakthroughs. Truly. Vince has seen the previews. He knows, just ask him!

Thanks for all your loyalty and support, and I look forward to having all of you as my lifetime 20% partners and sales force!

TO PLENTY POOSY AND MONEY!

RJ

93/93

P.S. I will probably do a free teleseminar with my marketing director, Joe Nicassio, describing how the affiliate program works. Stay tuned for the day and time.

P P.S. As of today, I am no longer associated with or doing business in any way with Yates Canipe or Straightforward Inc.

Neither Yates Canipe nor Straightforward Inc will be participating in, appearing at, teaching at, facilitating or accepting enrollments for any of my events or seminars.

The new website and business is not associated with Yates Canipe or Straightforward Inc in any way. We will now be filling all of your orders and servicing all of your needs for the orders placed on the new website.

Straightforward remains an authorized distribution channel for my current product line but will not be selling or distributing any of the new products or services I am working on creating.

My preferred distribution channel(and the only place to do the affiliate program) is my new site, www.speedseduction.biz.

I do not endorse, recommend, or have any knowledge of any events or seminars that Yates Canipe or Straightforward may be conducting, now, or in the future, nor should any such endorsement on my part be implied. Further I do not endorse any third party products that Yates Canipe or Straightforward may be offering or selling, now or in the future(other than the Dave Riker products which the new site will soon be offering) nor should any such endorsement be implied. Please don't email me to ask me about any such promotions Yates Canipe may be sending you; I have no knowledge of these third party products and do not recommend or endorse them.

If you are receiving autoresponder communications from Yates Canipe or Straightforward Inc, such communications are NOT coming from me. Please exercise your own judgment as to whether you wish to receive these communications. You are entitled to receive them or to opt out of them at any time. Please know that the only newsletters that are actually coming from me are coming from my Getresponse autoresponder, and if you are not receiving them from Getresponse, ***I*** am not sending them, no matter what the content may be.

Finally, I am not responsible for and have no knowledge of the status of any orders you may have placed with Yates Canipe or Straightforward previously, now, or in the future and any such questions should be directed to them. In the same vein, when you place an order with the new site, Yates Canipe and Straightforward have no knowledge of it and nothing to do with it. Please don't bother them with it.

I wish Yates and Straightforward Inc the very best in their endeavors, and I wish to personally thank Chase for being such a great kid to work with. Chase, wherever you are, the best to you. I appreciated having you on the team and hope one day to buy you a beer and discuss old times.

It's good to be free...

Badboylifestyle Mixed Review

2007-01-08T15:06:00.000-08:00

Badboy Workshop - Manchester
Well, this forum was recommended to me by one of the other guys on the workshop, so it seems a good place to post my - rather mixed - review.

I'm a newbie to cold approach, so my main goal was to learn to open sets, build some attraction and stay in set. I managed to get to the point that I was doing this reliably. However, there were a lot of things during the workshop that I wasn't happy about.

First though, the good.
The other guys on the workshop were great, as was Chris, the guest instructor (Badboy student from a previous workshop). The exercises during the seminar portion were useful, and I had quite a few moments where things clicked and I saw something I hadn't previously. The body language stuff was really good.
When we all went out for dinner, there was quite a high to the group, and I ended up (along with one of the other students) staying with Badboy and going straight to the venue where we were starting the night.
We had a look round the place, which was incredibly quiet, and Badboy pointed out a girl on her own sat near the window, wearing a wooly hat and a scarf. "Open her by asking her if she knows any good nightclubs around here because this one sucks and see how far you get"
And with that I opened her. Some talk about nightclubs, went on to palm reading, she asked me why I was down in Manchester and the first thing I thought of was to say that I was on a "stand up comedy workshop" as Badboy uses as the code for people looking for the workshop when they first meet up.
Things were going good, but the in-field part of the workshop wasn't even due to start for another 15 mins and I didn't want to venue change the girl and miss out on loads more practice opening, so I took her over to meet Badboy and the other student.
Badboy gamed her a bit, as did the other student, and I deliberately left her with them and went to the toilet. As soon as I came back she was trying to re-open me, and Badboy asked me to have a look at a funny text message a friend had sent him. He'd typed it himself and it said "She wants to fuck you".
I kino'd her a bit and then Badboy took the other student away from the table.
I lead her upstairs into an unopened part of the club and we started to make-out, but then one of the club staff came in and sent us back downstairs.
On the way down we met several of the other students and I introduced her to them. She mentioned a club that she thought we'd really like, but I'd need her to show me where it was because it's really hard to get to.
This was an obvious green light (plus the club sounded good for the workshop), but Badboy sent a student with a text message to tell me to go downstairs she he could give me some advice. At this point the girl decided to leave, but wanted my number. She said her phone had been stolen the day before, so I'd have to write it down for her. I declined because I wasn't sure whether this was flaky or not (in retrospect it probably wasn't) and she left.
A short while later Badboy gave me a bollocking for not f-closing her and told me that was a definite failure.
The night carried on with a move to another club, lots of approaches and some very good reactions (alongside some dismal failures as well). I was briefly introduced to EasieVibe by one of the other students (I was the guy who looked like he was trying to get past to the bar when I was actually stood listening).
Overall it was a good night, although the club we moved to didn't seem ideal based on the strengths and weaknesses of the guys in our group.

The next day I went out during the morning to try some street game and did approx. 10 sets, ranging from the initial warm up of stopping a girl with "Hey, do you know where I can get a good breakfast around here", building a little bit of positive emotion talking about really tasty meals then ejecting, up to gaming two girls with lots of knowledge of local clubs, getting solid info, building attraction and getting a number.

The seminar portion was good again, but the in-field wasn't so good. Badboy seemed to delight in pushing people into sets they really didn't want to open, and I don't mean that in a good way. Opening five sets of 4s with "You are so fucking sexy that I just have to get to know you" just seemed kind of lame (although street gaming a middle eastern girl in traditional dress including head-scarf with that opener on the way to the venue did go really well for me, plus get me another bollocking from Badboy for not getting her number, despite the fact that she was here on holiday with two days left, didn't speak much English, and wasn't really the sort of girl I was interested in). Worst points of the night were either
a) when Badboy told me to use the "You are so fucking sexy that I just have to get to know you" opener with a mixed set of two fat women in their 50s and two fat men in their 50s who were all wearing wedding rings. I refused and he insisted that I needed to, so I went over and opened them by asking about nightclubs, had a good conversation and learnt even more about local clubs.
It's always possible that this was meant to be a way to build my confidence, but it seemed that the whole continuum of what could happen went from fivesome with two fat middle aged women and two fat middle aged men (all really rough looking) through piss some people off and look weird, all the way to start a fight with a couple of older guys.
b) When I explained to Badboy that the reason that I'd ejected from a set that was going well was that both girls were wearing wedding rings and once I saw a wedding ring I wasn't going to go past a certain point for reasons of personal ethics. He informed me that Chris and him could easily cure me of those ethics. I declined and he insisted that I'd be gaming married women before long. This was a huge "What the fuck" moment for me.
Also, Badboy grabbed me by the back of the necklace I was wearing so hard at one point that he broke it, and the metal clasp slightly scratched the back of my neck. Not a big point, but slightly irritating.
I do feel that I could have pushed myself harder on this night, but I did manage the mission for the night (open a set, use some attract material and then hold it for 15-20 mins with rapport building topics) three times over and open a lot of other sets.

Day 3 was the disaster. I'd opted to go on an extra two hours doing street game during the morning, along with another student, and we were told this would cost £200 each.
When we started Badboy told us that we'd be stopping sets by stepping in front of them when they were a distance off, putting up one hand (he said it was important to use a particular motion that looked kind of Tai-Chi like bringing the arm up straight and then extending the wrist so the palm was pointing forwards) or both hands, saying stop and then using an indirect opener about nightclubs or buying a present for a 13 year old niece. I was dubious about this sort of body language on a street in Manchester at 10am in the morning, and the location didn't seem wonderful (about 200 yards from the Arndale centre towards the Travelodge), so I didn't volunteer to go first.
The other student opened a set that Badboy pointed out (two women in their mid forties both 4s or less) and they scrambled around him and rushed off looking scared.
Badboy had us practice again, and then sent him to open another set, who reacted exactly the same. Then he sent me after a 2 set. I didn't have the heart to use the arm movement so I just used eye contact and the opener. They didn't stop (I think they'd seen Badboy send me over) but they did answer me. The other student was sent after another 2 set and again they rushed off in panic.
I suggested to Badboy that we might be better off just using verbal openers and eye-contact but he said it wouldn't work (again what the fuck it'd worked numerous times for me the day before in the same area). He thought that the problem might be that the other student was wearing a black coat (I didn't even ask).
Then, while he was thinking about it, two plain clothes police officers arrived and threatened to arrest us because of the complaints they'd had and the CCTV footage. They asked what we were doing, and Badboy said "We're teaching him to have confidence with women" (seemingly implying that he wasn't the only one in charge) when one of the police officers said that we should go to a bar Badboy took his mobile out and sort of wandered off a bit while the Police talked to me.
They asked why the other student was putting has hands up "in that fucking stupid way" and I persuaded them that we were three guys who had come up with the idea that learning to talk to women while behaving stupidly would give you loads of confidence when you talked to them while behaving normally.
They seemed to buy this, but said that the CCTV people would be watching us and they'd nick us if we started approaching random people again. This was 15 minutes into the two hours, and I'd spent 5 minutes dealing with the police.
I asked Badboy whether we should just stop, or go elsewhere and do a more natural looking approach. His response was that we would carry on as we were. I told him that we'd get arrested, but he said "no, we'll split up then meet outside French Connection, they can't follow all three of us". I tried to explain about CCTV to him, but he was having none of it, so I agreed, walked off, left and didn't come back for the street game, or for the workshop for that day. Fortunately I hadn't paid him for the street game session, because there was no way I was going to pay £200 for a ten minute lesson in how to get yourself arrested.

I do feel that I've improved a lot (couldn't cold approach before, can now) but I also feel that it could have gone a lot better. I also kind of feel that Badboy's some sort of care in the community patient, or just living so much in his own reality that he can't always connect with other people's. And from the point of view of someone who's attended a lot of seminars and training courses in other fields (IT, youth work, NLP etc.) I'm also appalled by his negligence. Nobody expects to risk ending up with a criminal record for a public order offence when they go on a workshop, and yet it could have very easily gone that way.
It didn't seem to say much for his calibration skills either, sets rushing off to report you to the police who then threaten to arrest you doesn't seem like an indication that a technique is working.
It also slightly bothered me that, using the suggested opener of asking about clubs, we were learning about all sorts of local clubs that sounded really good, but Badboy kept taking us to ones where there weren't really enough sets to go around, despite (at least from me) being told about all the other possible clubs.

Badboy Workshop Review

2007-01-07T07:30:00.000-08:00

This is a very shortened badboy workshop review.
The reason that is so short is that it was basicly a huge disapointment.

I signed up for what i belived: A workshop with one of the best pua's on the planet. But he turned out to be a fraud so to say.
I have no doubts in badboys methods, infact i think its one of the best and it suits me more than many other methods out there.
I can also imagine, after hundreds of workshops u get tiered of saying the same words over and over again.
But its really no excuse when u pay the guy 2000$ each.

Anyways

Day 1:
We meet up at the given location, somewhere around bondstreet i think.
Meet the guys and chat some with badboy.
Basic theory blabllbalblablbllablablalbalba
Instead of going to our hotel rooms to change clothes etc, badboy decides we just go have dinner and head straight out and those who want can go change.
When i arrive at Leicester square i see a couple of other guys chatting with girls, but i have really no idea where badboy is.
I think it took me 10 minutes to find him and he immideatly sends me into a set without showing or telling me anything.
Ofcourse the set bombs terribly.
After a while, some of the other guys shows me how they do it. I manage to stop a couple of sets but nothing to write home about.
Badboy tells us that we're supposed to meet up at this place called yates at 10:30. Badboy never showed up.

Day 2:
More theory blablabal
Destination for the evening: oneanone(i think).
I think i maybe approached 8 sets this night, with badboy sending me into 2 of them. When i asked him for feedback he told me to shut up. A very proffesional thing to do i might say...
I felt really disapointed towards the evening and me and another student was about to leave when he saw a 2 set he had approached earlier. We decided to fuck the WS and just try to have a good time. So i ordered drinks for me and him and i sat down with this 2 set.
I got to chat with a asian 6.5 which i later on # closed and that basicly saved my night.
After that me and two other students decided we would make total asses of ourselfes on leicester square, because we were all in state.
We started hitting on girls in burger king with the same opener and imitating badboy to everyone that approached us.
Some of the club promoters at leicester square might have found us pretty disturbing going around "I will tell u how to create wide and deep rapport! Imagine Pamela Anderson completely naked right next to you, would you be able to function normally?"

Day3:
MOre theory jadadajada.
Could mention that the slight cold i had the two days before, was now gone. I felt much better already but still extremely disapointed over badboy.
We had also been promised a guest instructor which had yet to show up(and never did).
This night we went to tiger tiger and i was wearing my peacocked jacket, which got me 3 compliments from the subway to tigertiger and things where about to get worse after we had dinner.
Girls pinched my ass all the time and at one point a girl did a direct approach on me "That jacket turns me sooo oon" lol. I didnt know what to say but thanks, and moved on :P
Badboy sendt me into a 3-4 set of girls and i think i misunderstood his opener, because i said "Hey girls, i think you like me and want to get to know me" lol.
It actually worked pretty well, but their boyfriends came so i left.
I dont renember anything else but opening a shitload of girls really direct and never getting blown out. Had a few good convos here and there but nothign special.
As i am wandering in the stairs i spot one of the worlds greatest pickup artist dancing around with a fat black chick wearing a rainbow scarf.
You'd think badboy was pretty drunk, but no. I just laughed and opened up a 3 set of asians with "You girls are SO fucking sexy and im going to get to know you" and they give me the shocked look. I try to have a convo, but i figured music was to loud so they didnt hear what i was saying. One of them was a FINE 8.5 btw
As i move on to the third floor i run into badboy who had a shitty grin on his face, wanting me to see a girl ke kiss closed.
He pointed out a fat black chick with a rainbow scarf and she spots him he starts to dance like a drunk maniac rubbing his bare belly. I felt embarrased and thought id get the fuck away from him.
I run into another student and ask him about his night. We shoot the shit for a while, when i notice that badboy is right behind me.
He starts talking to this 2 set and i could clearly hear that this wasnt going his way.
Just about when he was going to crash he turns me around "This is my friend, he's going to entertain you"
Needless to say i also c&b.
As i roam around again i encounter another student struggling with a 2 set. I think he bombed more than anyone else i had seen because the 2 set was
starting to make out with eachother
I drag him with me upstairs where i encounter the hot asian and her friends again.
I discover that i wasent the music that prevented us from having a conversation, it was her terrible englishskills.
I danced with her for 5 minutes before i realise im sober and probably look like a idiot. I probably look like and idiot drunk too but its the only time i allow myself to dance.
"Lets go somewhere we can talk, i absolutely HATE dancing" so i lead her all the way through the club until we reach the lounge areas.
We sit down and i start building some rapport with her. Try to read her palm but she only starts to laugh, and thats when i realise that palmreading is really just a bunch of bulls**t.
Who am I trying to fool? I couldnt read a palm even if it had letters in it. So i try to build more rapport with her, when she starts fiddling around in her purse.
She puts on lipgloss and starts chewing gum. If i couldnt kissclose this I might aswell chop off my dick.
I put my arm around her just like we learned, leaned in and kiss closed her.
Then my nerves started to come. I had NEVER done this in a sober condition before and i had really NO clue what to do next because i had already built so much rapport
and i had done the "ultimate" kiss close, so i thought "now what?".
I Tried to kiss her more to calm down, but it didnt work. Im actually bothered by the fact that she didnt notice me shaking like a offseason heroin addict.
So my mind snapped and i shouted out of nowhere "I have to go". And i could see her face soo sad and i totally ruined her night.
I said "Here, give me your email and number" and handed her my phone. The girl was almost crying when she did her thing on the phone and i felt really bad. But i didnt know what to do.
After that i left the club and went shared bed with nextgen :S lol!

Aftermath:
When i came home i almost felt like a new man. I was filled with confidence and eagered to talk to girls. Sadly i got sick and was put out of the game for nearly 3 weeks.
And i feel from time to time, that my game has actually gotten worse. Im so determined to go really direct, it prevents me from doing anything bigger than a 2 set.
As a final verdict i have to say that im really disapointed of the workshop. We wherent pushed nearly as much as those guys in the godly worshipping reviews was.
One of the student filed a complaint to both badboy and mystery method(they handle their financials).
MY main goal was to get rid of my AA and im not, even though badboy promised me it would be taken care of.

The positive thing about this WS is that i now have someone i probably can call my first gf. Ive been in touch with the asian ever since i left london.
I think she actually has one-itis over me. She sends me sms and mails all the time and is always asking if im seeing other girls.
I told her i was planning on comming back to london the 16th of january and stay until 30th. I asked if i could stay at her place, and i could
Looking very much forward to it. Sarging during the days and sleeping with her during the nights(she goes to school and has work).

Sorry for the messy writeup, i know im a terrible writer i just wanted to let u all know how i feel.
Cheers!

Review of Badboy at Badboylifestyle

negs by mysterymethod

2007-01-04T19:42:00.000-08:00

Negs are a creation by Mysterymethod

here are some examples

You have beautiful eyes. Can I touch them?'

Well, your crooked eyebrows are cute!

I dig the way you give up fashion for comfort

"I love your shirt, there was a girl in Pirates of the Carribean who wore the exact same one."

"Shit, nobody told me it was retro night, must not have gotten the memo."

"Cindy Lauper called, said she was redoing her 80's video girls just want to have fun, looks like your dressed for the audition."

"Oprah used to have that hairstyle back in the mid 80's."

"I think its great that you are so confident, you can go outside in whatever you want regardless of whats in style."
You kind of remind me of my mom.

You have a firm handshake...like a man.

HB: Would you like to do something?
Me: In Public?

Blank color would look better on you.

Hand her a q tip.

That perfume doesn't match your skin type. You should try blank perfume.

What kind of soap do you use? sniff

to learn more about negs visit
themysterymethod.com

Badboylifestyle = fake

2006-11-21T17:47:00.000-08:00

This post has come up on the direct-method.com forum
Badboy of Badboylifestyle is a fraud

He never has been with A&D and never was..

check these out.

Danijel Nesek is his real name.

Google groups # 1 ...Badboy asking for patterns...

Asking for other Europe Pick up artist's...

Ant farm

An old field report

There are LOTS of holes in Badboy's story.

He's handicapped for one. That's kinda well known but it's interesting how much he down plays it. It's not even mentioned on the website..

He went from that above .. to Sarging Miss Croatia and he's handicapped..
and then the next year
and next year.
yeah please...

Robert , Ranko come on. What's the story. ...?

Let's see what's posted on Masf.. when we look through the archives..

Give me an hour or 2.

Ranko Magami of A&D said:

Hey, guess what I got a call from Badboy several weeks ago:

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his friend (I didnt recognize him?) calls me and talks something about sarging for 15 sec, I didnt understand who it was... then Badboy takes the phone and says:" Its me the handicaped impotent guy you hate the most!"
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I just ended the call then. very funny event??!

The truth about Badboy is very funny, we will publish how he fooled us and how he keeps on fooling people, as a side entertainment project. Our employee will write it up for us cause we do only the most important tasks.

Let me give you just a bit now :

the truth about Baboy is shocking (shot in head on christmas by a falling bullet, syzoprenic that believes his own fanthasiez and lies, cant move arm and leg, probalby never got laid etc..) ,

although the truth is shocking and you feel bad after you realise he bambozzeled you to believe in his phantasies, he has some positive qualites also.

He bambozeled me into beliving his stories, and we all were suckers hehehehe : Atila, Mark, Ranko and soon Robert, then we discoverd it were all lies cause he beleves in his phantasiez cause he is syzoprenic caue of that bullet.

that is why he, sometimes, behaves like a little child, stuck at the age of 13 when bullet hit him.

thats very unfortunate cause he can even approach girls ( not often, but any approach is huge victory for a handicaped guy), he can also motivate students very good and can teach a student some stuff phenomenaly, for a person with his handicap he achieved a lot.

So its, all in all, a sad story.... "no excuze" more will come when we have time for that not so important stuff

BUT we focus on the postive and huge success of our students. Our mission is to help the student get strong with girls and cause of that in all areas of life.

From the last workshop we had of 11 people we got sofar 7 super postive reviews and we get emails daily where guys tell us how happy they are.

Everyone had dates FROM THE STREET.

We had 6 girls helping us out.

We took the guys out to the streets on the first day.

We try hard to help the guys that want to be helped and enjoy doing that.

and that is our reward for always refusing to take the easy path, and working on our excuses instead.

Now thats what we and you should really focus on

Robert Torrey said

Ok..

We've been holding back on talking about our experiences with different people in the community
for a LONG time.

Problem is I think it's "eating" away at Ranko and me.

I can tell Ranko just had to let it out in public now. He's tired of the bs.

I'm not sure exactly what the deal is with somebody. In one way all of this is EXTREMELY easy..

Also the afore above at one point was a great teacher. Some of the workshops I co instructed (the name has been changed to Cortez on the website but check Thundercat(archive) and Cliff's list as the REAL reviews involve ME and are in there)

But we were definitely heavily screwed over. Ranko and I were both supposed to be equal business partners. A 3 way deal.

Yet excuse after excuse came about us getting our %, being paid. There was a lot more but that was the start. I learned about how things weren't all as they seemed as first Cortez told me in Brazil. (Look at Strongbad's reveiw and notice I'm feeling really down... Cortez and Shark told me THAT morning)

Style even told me after my workshop experience. (which has been heavily edited on his website. I wrote some negatives.. I'm pretty sure it's been rewritten-- if anybody has the old cliff's list.

"Really your workshop experience was that good? When I met him in Croatia he was just some cocky bastard who wasn't doing well"

Than I started to meet all the Pick up artist in Croatia one by one.
All of them had the same story about BB. Something wasn't right.

One of the old pictures BB claimed he was with was heavily airbrushed..
Then there was the tennis girl. Well Zagreb is a small area and it doesn't take long for people to talk. A few PUAs met her.. She denied EVERYTHING... and pointed out she's a professional tennis player and that picture is ALL over the internet. He didn't take it.

All the holes in BB's stories are massive and huge.

I leave for Croatia in about a week. I can definitely post some proof there are plenty of lies all of his website. The big one is he wasn't hit by a sniper as he's been claiming.

It was New Year's and a bullet came down into his head. Atila told me it was all over the papers so maybe we can dig out an archive of it.

Anyhow you get the picture. Sorry for letting this drama thread go on but we had to rant and get this crap out. Holding it in, is just too much.

We've discovered our main problem with making business relationships if from community in any way shape or form = BAD.. really bad.

Dating Confidence something big is going to be annouced.

2006-11-13T20:51:00.000-08:00

go here...

Dating Confidence
and sign up for the newsletter giving info.

It appears they are going to release a lot of pictures and videos to promote this soon.

Bachelorism.org

2006-07-09T01:04:00.000-07:00

Match has a great new site at Bachelorism.org.

This really needed to be a video, not a static PDF. There are so many different ways they could have done this.

Take a look at this for an example
http://coolbreathpower.com/

Where the heck is Dr. Phil? Can you imagine him having a heart-to-heart talk on his tv show set with a bunch of bachelors?

Don't slam men and leave women out of it. Where is the female version with a photo of a woman sitting with a tub of Ben & Jerry's surrounded by a roomful of cats?

I would like to see how this kind of PR affects signups.

Do they get any sort of bump from this kind of stuff? Now if they had taken even the tiniest risk and done Subservient Bachelor, that would be hilarious. Subservient Chicken was a viral video clip from Burger King that got 20 million hits in a week. Huge publicity for some real marketing effects.

Seduction

2006-07-06T02:55:00.000-07:00

Seduction

Look at this seduction article by Sacha_Tarkovsky

Men tend to be more easily aroused than women, for female seduction men need to take an approach that is subtle as women tend not to want to jump straight into bed.

Keep in mind, women tend not to be as influenced by looks as men, there are other considerations in the art of female seduction, learn them and you will have much more success with women.

When considering female seduction we need to start with appearance

Make sure that you dress well neat and tidy and remember the small details women pay attention to well fitting clothes for your build, clean and well pressed as well as clean and scuff free shoes – the latter are one of the first things a women looks at!

Grooming & Hygiene

If you are not hygienic and well groomed you won’t succeed in the art of female seduction.

So, make sure your hair is well cut, you use deodorant and you’re simply smelling nice and keep in mind most women love aftershave!

Be a Gentleman

One of the greatest assets in female seduction is manners. don’t think that all women are into women’s liberation, their not.

Most women like a gentleman.

You will find opening doors, taking her coat, being on time and generally being attentive, goes a long way and is much more important than many men think.

The above show that you are making the best of what you have and that you care about yourself and your partner.

Women love this and while personality doesn’t make up for looks every time it can make a women sit up and take notice.

On the other hand, no matter how good looking you are, if you are seen as arrogant, uncaring and someone who does not take pride in your appearance it will put a women who may have initially liked you off.

Go slowly

With female seduction never underestimate the fact that women want to be loved and cared for.

Women get turned on by the mind as much as the body.

When you and your partner are getting along fine and you want to make your move to turn the relationship into something further, don’t be too pushy or to quick.

Women enjoy sex, but don’t like to think you’re pushy or after one thing, so wait a while until she is comfortable and you may find the fact your patient sees her make the first move.

Remember to be loving and use foreplay

Ok, so now you both want to take the relationship further and you want to make love. When considering female seduction don’t be to pushy or appear your after only sex, she will be instantly put off.

Make her feel special, make her feel wanted and appreciated.

Female seduction is all about foreplay lots of kissing, cuddling and going slowly. In the bedroom men have very few erogenous zones women have loads (apart form the obvious ones) explore her body tenderly.

Erogenous zones to consider include, the inner thigh, neck, small of the back, wrists, shoulders and feet.

Women like to take it much more slowly than men and again the thought that their really appreciated will make them feel you’re a special guy.

Sex is only part of the equation!

The sex act to men is far more important to women who enjoy sex but like lots of foreplay to make them feel special.

The big point to remember with female seduction is RESPECT for your women in all the areas above.

Try and be as considerate as you can and you will impress your partner with caring side, which all women like to see.

These tips for female seduction will help you get a relationship and build on it. Good luck!

For more tips on women and sexual matters go to our website and get free articles, features magazines and downloads in dating and sexual health sections:

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Sacha_Tarkovsky

Dating Lessons in Love

2006-07-06T02:28:00.000-07:00

Looking for Dating Lessons and Coaching read on...

Are you on the look out for a boyfriend/girlfriend? Have you been single for a while? Have you somebody in mind who you would like to go on a date with? A few years ago I thought that I knew what my ideal partner or girlfriend would look and be like. I was however about to learn a very valuable lesson of which I will write about in this article.

I am quite short for a male and always prefer to date women who are smaller than I am. This however counts quite a lot of them out. I also like women who are very down to earth and who are quite relaxed about life, not too into themselves for example. I also prefer them to be brunette with a nice smile and attractive eyes, a slim figure would also be a bonus.

What I have just described is what I believed to be my perfect girlfriend. This whole notion was blown out of the water around ten years when I had to work on a project at work with a woman called Sam. She was about ten years older than I was and I will never forget what my first impressions of her were. What a mess, I thought. She had made no effort with her appearance, had not even brushed her hair it seemed, she dressed as if she was twenty years older than she actually was and basically looked like she had not slept the night before.

This may seem quite cruel and harsh, this is what I used to be like back then, I am ashamed to think about how my mind used to work. I am happy however that I have now changed to be what I hope is a nicer person.

Despite these first impressions I have to say that Sam was so nice and helpful to me over the next three months. She is probably one of the kindest and purest people I have ever met.

After about ten weeks of first meeting Sam, I started to dream about her and I think I fell in love with her. She had not suddenly made an effort with her appearance, still looked a mess etc. The fact was it did not matter to me anymore, it was what was inside that counted.

I never ever admitted to Sam how I felt as she was married, I think her husband is one of the luckiest men alive.

Thanks Sam for teaching me a very important lesson in love.

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Article by Steve Hill

Sex Doggy Style

2006-07-03T06:57:00.000-07:00

The doggy positon for sex has advantages and disadvantages but the advantages far out weight the latter and it is an essential sexual position for all couples who want to get the most from their sex life.

Here we will look at the advantages of the doggy style sexual position and how it can spice up your sex life.

Let’s look first at the basic doggy style sexual position and some variations and outline why this is such a great position for giving pleasure to both partners.

1. Basic Doggy Style Sexual Position

The position is very simple. In essence it means both partners are on their knees, with one partner penetrating the other from behind.

2. Standing Doggy Style Sexual position

You can achieve the same penetration and sensation of the rear entry position with one or both partners standing.

When standing, the partner being penetrated bends at the waist, spreads their legs, and uses a solid object such as a wall to support themselves as the other partner thrusts into them.

3. The Bed & Doggy style sexual position

Another variation on the doggy style sexual position is to have one of the partners penetrated at the end of the bed, with their upper body on the bed, and their lower body off the bed.

Advantages of the Doggy Style Sex Position:

The effectiveness of the position for both partners can be summarized as follows:

1. This is a great position for stimulating and hitting a women’s g-spot.

For example, try Positioning your legs outside of your partners and push your weight forward, so you are riding down on her at an angle. This puts your penis in a downward position into the vagina, and helps you to hit her g-spot directly and stimulate it for maximum pleasure.

Try having your partners legs more open, or more closed and follow her advice, she will soon let you know when the spot has been hit!

2. For the partner penetrating, they can their legs and hips and are able to undertake more vigorous and controlled thrusting.

3. The Doggy style sexual position also allows the person doing the penetration makes use of their hands and this can involve other erogenous zones such as the anus, clitoris or breasts.

While some partners may have discomfort in the knees when executing the basic doggy style position, this is easily solved - use some pillows to protect your knees.

You also cannot see your partner and the pleasure that you are each giving each other, however if you are in a loving relationship the doggy style sexual position is just one of many you can use and will defiantly enhance your sex life.

Women love it for g spot stimulation and men love it due to the increased control over thrusting it gives, from gentle to vigorous depending on their partners needs.

The doggy style sexual position is one all couples should try and will add something extra to any loving relationship.

More FREE info on sex and the doggy style sexual positions and tips and advice to sspice up your sex life visit our website for articles, downloads and features http://www.net-planet.org

Sacha_Tarkovsky

Seduction Forums

2006-06-13T12:49:00.000-07:00

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Pick Up Guide Lay Guide by Tony Click

2006-05-31T21:03:00.000-07:00

Neil Strauss

2006-05-27T23:08:00.000-07:00

It starts with you

2006-05-23T15:47:00.000-07:00

Anyway. where does it all start? - WITH YOU

1) BE DIFFERENT
It starts with being the type of guy that's DIFFERENT - than anything she's ever known before. Different realizations, deeper understandings, listening, communicating, - and ELICITING what makes a woman happy, fulfilled and what she longs to have in her life. Women want men that are PASSIONATE - not about just sex and love, but about LIFE.
Here's something I said to a woman yesterday. she was talking about passion and about finding "The One" so I said.
"To me, a sense of PASSION relates to the drives and emotional fires that move us through life. giving us life's deepest joys, pain, and most profound inspirations. With me, passion is about putting your whole heart into something. where you can open up fully to the situation. connecting fully with this person. I know that for me, I'm not LOOKING for "The One". I think finding "The One" is a realization that you GROW INTO. like when I find someone that I'm passionate about. I know that one day, I'll look at her and just have this realization that "I love this woman SO MUCH". and at this point I'll know that this is who I want to be with for the rest of my life."
Women LOVE men that are PASSIONATE, and that can interact with her on a DEEPER LEVEL. Bringing out HER passions, her needs, hopes, dreams. LISTENING to her and reflecting back with your OWN understandings. -With this gal that Ross met, he ASKED her what it was about me - She said "He was SO different than anyone else I've met before. from the very first moment I met him I knew this."
2) CONVEY VALUE
Know inside that You are "The Prize" - Women know when a man is needy and know when he conveys VALUE. It all starts with you. and you must live the kind of life that conveys VALUE. Now women aren't attracted necessarily to just VALUE. They are attracted also to characteristics that LEAD to value, like confidence, intelligence, ambition, potential. ANYONE here can have these traits - and the good news is that by taking on these characteristics, you are likely to manifest value in your life.
I have women lining up to be with me, not because I have money - (I'm a poor starving student with about $100 in my bank account right now), but because I convey value and have tremendous potential, and let my attitude, actions, as well as the "Flow of energy" in my interactions convey this. These women also know that I am in demand by other women and this amplifies their desire even more.
3) BE FLEXIBLE
Use what she gives you and let what her needs are bring out those parts of YOU that can fulfill those needs. Notice that I'm not saying that you should be fake. I'm saying to let her needs bring out the PARTS of YOU that can fulfill those needs. Some women want a friend with benefits, some want pure sexual passion, some just want PERMISSION to be the WOMAN that they've always wanted to be.
4) Be FUN
Yes this includes all those gimmicks, magic tricks, jokes, stories. etc. Get her laughing. do fun things. relax. This will build attraction - it is a PART of the whole picture.
5) GET INSIDE OF HER
Know everything you can about her. the way she thinks, the way she views life, her "Simple pleasures", her "Secret Indulgences". Make her feel like a little girl again. and once you do this, the WOMAN inside of her will come out and make you feel like a MAN! I do this by telling her "Bedtime" stories. having her describe her "turn on's and weaknesses" and what her simple pleasures are. For most women it's the LITTLE THINGS that count most and that set the TONE for a happy and fulfilled life.
6) LEAD HER IMAGINATION
I will ELICIT what she feels - and feed it back. I will amplify the feeling and connect this with my own experience and share it with her. Women may SAY what they THINK, but they DO what they FEEL. When I ELICIT, I want a woman to remember and to FEEL the way that she feels when she is with someone that she really connects with, is attracted to, and desires.
7) BE A LOVER OF WOMEN AND PEOPLE
There are a lot of guys out there who really don't LOVE women. It is more about "Power" or "Getting even" with women. Women can sense this!
Study LOVE, read about it -even all the misguided ideas that people have about it - and form your own ideas.
The difference between LUST and LOVE is that Lust is about what you can GET. LOVE is about what you can GIVE. I'm talking about truly giving of yourself. There's no other higher gift and you can't put a price tag on it. Turn off the LUST and be a LOVER of women and people. CONGRUENCY is when you can treat all people the same way you treat her. Women WATCH these things and It's all about what you can GIVE to a woman and when a woman can sense this, she'll GIVE to you in every way that you've always wanted.
Blake Richards
IN10SE

Attract and Date Workshop

2006-05-21T23:35:00.000-07:00

The Attract and Date Team but especially Robert has been a HUGE help in my dating life. Shortly after my workshop I got laid because of what Robert Torrey taught me about being able to tell when a woman is into me. Before I never knew if a woman liked me or not. This was the 1st sex I had in over 14 months.

The next thing that happened was I had sex with another woman on our 1st time getting together. I attribute much of this to Robert teaching me how to lead women and break down last minute resistance that women put out.

For awhile I was really working hard on getting better with women. I was going out 3 or more times a week working on meeting women. I was constantly getting outside my comfort zone, and I found myself having more and more progress as I continued working on myself. .

After I had been working on my ability to meet women for about 4 months. I heard Robert was going to Atlanta and I asked if I could come along. The week we were in Atlanta EVERYTHING came together for me.

In Atlanta I had sex with a beautiful hottie the 3rd night I was there. I had met her the night before. My success with her came much from what Robert taught me about being completely direct with women. Well I was direct and to the point and it worked, REALLY WELL!!!

Then I got a Blow Job from another woman I had gotten a number from my 1st day in Atlanta. She liked me soooo much that Robert nicknamed her "stalker." I was just doing the things that Robert taught me to do, but this chick was calling me about 8 times a day and text messaging me another 10. She really wanted me and even asked me to move to Atlanta to be with her.

Later that week I had my 1st major successes in the clubs. Robert had taught me what to do in clubs, but I had never really believed that what he said was true. Well I figured that I would go after it that weekend and I was amazed at the results!

I had women all over me in the clubs we went to. I met a Brazilian woman. She only understood about half of what I was saying but it looked like she was into me, so I kissed her.

Robert had told me that it was important that I start really moving it forward with women when I am seeing interest from them. I guess she really liked me because we made out right there in the club for over 20 minutes. I guess it doesn't really matter what you say because she didn't understand much of what I said due to the language gap.

After working with Robert my confidence level had gone up 1000% with women. If there is anyone out there who is on the fence about whether or not to work with Robert Torrey and the Attract and Date staff stop thinking about it and just do it! My life with women was based entirely on luck before I worked with Robert. Now I can meet and date the women I choose.

If you aren't getting the results you want to get with women I highly recommend you work with Robert Torrey and The Attract and Date Team.

Otto R

Dimitry on Gunslinger Walk

2006-05-17T15:48:00.000-07:00

Dimitri on the Gunslinger Walk
Note: I'm about to talk about some stuff that's pretty crazy, and as far as I can tell, hasn't been seriously addressed on ASF before.

That said, this isn't your answer. If you're not living a life you enjoy, with a cool social life and as much sex as you'd like - this isn't the answer. Focus on being positive, confident, and happy. Get some results, then maybe give this a read.

Alright, that said, I've made some observations over the past couple years. I've noticed that people walk in a certain way that's extremely indicative of their value.

Basically, in short: People move out of the way of people they perceive as higher value than themself.

A quick list would include: Very beautiful women, people obviously very wealthy, taller people, very athletic people, big people in any capacity, people that look dangerous, and people that look like they command respect.

Now, most of those you can't easily become. I mean, good luck becoming a "very beautiful woman", guys. Likewise, becoming very wealthy isn't something you decide is time to do this weekend.

But you CAN look like you command respect, and to a lesser extent, you can look dangerous if you want to.

Me, I first noticed these things when I'd go out peacocked. When I heavily decked myself out, EVERYONE would move out of the way for me. *EVERYONE*

Extremely beautiful women would get out of my way. So would tall guys, ripped guys, businessmen, whatever. Then the clothes would come off, and people didn't move out of my way any more. In fact, I noticed that *I* was moving for people.

So, I decided to get to the bottom of it. What was I doing differently, and what were others doing differently when I was all dressed up?

Well, people were hesitant to make eye contact with me when I was dressed up. They slid out of the way as I passed through. It seemed like I held my head higher and my shoulders broader, and I strutted more.

Through a pattern of people moving for me, I'd become accustomed to it and EXPECT it.

So, I tried something crazy. I dressed very down for a day, and tried walking the same way I would when I was in some rhetro-crazy outfit. Results were interesting: Some people moved out of my way, some did not.

I kept playing with it, and I'm blushing a little as I write that I actually ran into some people. I was experimenting and playing around with getting people out of my way, and through the course of it, I started noticing the little patterns that got people to move.

First, the basics of bodylanguage: Chin up, eyes looking forward all the time. I don't "look around" when I'm in an area... I let my peripheral vision take things in, so I don't look like a starry-eyed tourist. No matter where I am, I'm not getting pegged as an easy mark by thieves and other miscrits.

I scan and evaluate everywhere I go. I'm looking for beautiful women, people that seem interesting, and trouble. The whole time, I'm usually wearing a slight knowing smile. I make eye contact with almost everyone, including guys a foot+ taller than me that were representing some gang.

I wouldn't be standoffish. Just neutral as I did this.
Arms by my side, slow walk. Like a gunslinger... women have actually been able to recognize me from my walk, from behind, with me in generic clothes... One girl recognized me from behind six months after she'd last seen me, and my hair was a different color and much shorter, and I was wearing winter clothes that she'd never seen me in before.

Anyway, imagine Clint Eastwood. Slow, deliberate, dangerous movements. That's the basic idea behind my walk, though I've unexagerrated it a bit recently.

Arms pushed out a little bit, the way a ripped guy would. I learned that part from when I used to be cut myself, and even though I'm not in incredible shape any more, I remember what it used to be like. Watch a bodybuilder's arms sometime for the general idea.

Okay, so I've got good bodylanguage, and I walk slowly and deliberately. I scan crowds and make incidental eye contact with a lot of people. I never look down sunkenly, and rarely look around in a daze.

Now, getting people to move for you: Never move tentatively. Always pick a point and walk directly to it. If you're not sure exactly the best way to get where you're going, completely stop and think out your course, then start moving again.

Take up space. The Croatian crew has definitely repped this before, and it's very true. I don't go out of my way to artificially take up space, but I definitely don't try to minimize myself.

The next part's going to seem a little standoffish, so calibrate. Make sure you're getting some basic respect before you try this.

One thing I noticed that high-value people will do when they expect someone to move for them- and something I caught myself doing- was half-stepping towards a person that you expect to move. Like, if two people are passing each other:

PERSON**** ****PERSON

So one of them's going to need to move a tiny bit. A low-value person will try to move completely out of the way. A mid-value person will move halfway out of the way. A high-value person will actually make a step TOWARDS the other person, very subtly, and watch the person cede even MORE space to them, and move MORE than they otherwise would have.

The full stop: If you and a person are walking head on into each other, say, you've just come through a doorway and they're about to go through it.

One thing someone with high value will do is just COMPLETELY STOP. Then the other person will have to slink around them. After they've moved enough out of the way, the person with high value will continue on his way.

Cut 'em in half: I've noticed that people of very high value will walk right through a group of people of lesser value. Like, if there's a group of four average girls walking down the street, a guy that thinks very highly of himself will usually walk right through the group instead of going around.

Traffic direction: I've definitely seen this and done it. One thing a guy of high value will do is subtly "direct traffic" sometimes. He'll hold his hands up to stop people. If he wants someone to go through a door before him because he's being polite, he'll make a sweeping "go ahead" gesture with his hand.

Slow it down: When in doubt, slow down MORE, not less. If you're moving slowly, the other person is responsible for fixing the situation before you are. Most people aren't confident, and want to resolve a potentially jarring situation quickly. If they almost run into someone, they speed WAY up. What you should do is slow WAY down, be unbothered by it all.

If you're running into people, you're doing it wrong. I definitely went through that phase when figuring this shit out, but if you project the image that you're to be respected and that you shouldn't be fucked with, people should be moving.

Now, for me, it's all become subconscious. I'm not thinking about manipulating people's walking patterns as I move around through the world. It's all who I am: Most people move for me. If someone doesn't, no big deal, I move gracefully and keep my stride.

The biggest application for PUA's with this is to not move for beautiful women. The woman's not even going to think consciously about it, but you're going to be letting her know on a subconscious level that you're of very high value.

On the off chance you do crash into someone while learning, just smile and apologize. If they linger, it's okay to pat them on the back or shoulder, just do it respectfully. If the person really starts to get heated, and they're thinking they're of the gangster variety, something like, "Hey, my bad, man. No disrespect intended" in a solid, unwavering voice has always been enough to resolve the situation for me. It gives them an out to keep their manliness, but doesn't show weakness that they can attack.

There's little applications to this everywhere. I've definitely noticed something similar on the subway in Boston. See, I love people and all, but I don't like people in my space unless they're someone I've got love for. So, I used to move a little bit over when a random person would sit too close to me on the train.

Wrong move. The person would invariably move into the space I just vacated, and now they'd still be intruding into my space: And I'd have less space to be sitting in.

Now, as soon as I sit down on a train, I take up all my space, and don't move for *anyone* (exceptions being the elderly, handicapped people, and pregnant women: I'm 'alpha' and whatever, but I'm not a total dick). Anyway, this cavalier attitude of owning the train is enough to have people respect my personal space and not try to intrude on it.

You can definitely have fun playing with this stuff, or even just using it to observe people and peg their value and self-esteem.

Also, a last, cool note: Ever seen a romantic story where two people start both trying to move for each other repeatedly, and one of them makes a joke about how they're dancing, then they wind up dating?

It actually happens. Reason being, both people think the other one is of higher value, so they both think they're getting a catch. This is mostly a subconscious thing, but that combined with the moment of mandatory interaction from the "dancing"... it actually happens.

Make sure you get the basics going on before you even think about this. This is a little thing you can play with after you've got a solid foundation, and is by no means the holy grail. But if you've got some good results going on, you can definitely work on your walking patterns. If you're going to be seeing me in person sometime coming up, feel free to ask for a little demo. It's some crazy stuff to see.

Dimitry
The-approach.net

Pick Up Artist and Direct Game Myths

2006-05-08T18:32:00.000-07:00

1. The first one is somebody has to be very good looking to get attraction.
2. The second dating myth is somebody needs to have a lot of money, a big house, nice car, the right types of clothes, and /or a great job to get attraction.
3. The third myth is you have to have high social status to be with an attractive person.
4. A fourth myth is that you have to pay for everything to get attraction
5. A fifth seduction myth is that you have to be a certain age and talk with a certain age to get attraction with somebody.
6. Another false myth is if somebody is giving you signals that they aren’t interested showing them with more attention, affection, presents will win them over.
7. There is a false myth that you have to hide your intentions, be really playful, energetic, “neg” her to create attraction and get somebody into you.
8. There is this myth that everybody goes in “direct” what this book is all about so that’s why it won’t work.
9. Another dating false myth is that all of this is just a numbers game. You just aren’t talking to enough people.
10. The 10th false myth is by being completely upfront with all your intentions you give away all your power. You will be rejected right away and that this gives a high rejection rate.
11. The eleventh false myth is this is not fun to show her all your intentions.
12. Another false myth is if you buy somebody a drink she will classify you with all the other creepy frustrated guys.
13. Another false myth is somebody will never react positively by putting all your intentions upfront.
14. Another false myth is you don’t want to do this at some social gathering like a party, or on a campus as you’ll be rejected a lot and be the weird I like you guy.
15.Another false myth is being upfront and direct about your intentions will only work with women who are alone.
16. Another false myth is when you are direct you can only do this on the street but not ever in clubs and bars.
17. Another false myth is her friends will block, males will try to stop you.
18. Another false myth is it’s just an opener.
19. Another false myth is this can only work when somebody gives you an invite to approach them first.
20. Another false myth is it’s just an attitude that you are above the girl.

Cliff List Convention 2006

2006-05-08T18:28:00.000-07:00

CLIFF'S LIST SEMINAR DETAILS !

Cliff's List Convention 2006

Last year it was a massive success. Many of the attendees called it the best seminar they had ever been to. The World's Best Pick Up Artists, Ladies Men and Dating Experts came together in a now legendary weekend that still has people talking. Those who were there and those who have seen the DVD's can attest to the quality and valuable knowledge that was shared.

No where else will you find an array of talent all assembled at one time to teach you what they have learned and practiced that has made their lives ones to be envied by men everywhere. Regardless of whether you are looking for that one special woman (or if you have found her and want to learn some great ideas to enhance your relationship), or if you want to live like Hugh Hefner, this is the place to get realistic, down to earth, practical, usable information that is not available in the mainstream media.

Last year there were 18 speakers (plus a few that didn't appear on the DVDs) and they shared information that was pure gold.

Last year we knew we were on to something. We knew that there were a lot of others out there who didn't appear who would expand our visions even further. And after last year, we knew everyone would want to be at the next one.

So this year, we raise the bar. This year the list of guests is even more extraordinary than last year. New and familiar Superstars will appear live in person at an event that will forever mark this weekend as historic. The long list of confirmed guest stars and presenters is impressive. And there are many invitations still out there - this list may grow dramatically by game time.

At this event you will have the opportunity to meet and learn from an outstanding collection of the Top Masters of the Game.

The seminar will be packed with valuable insights and innovative lessons, including several of the speakers who plan on sharing important breakthroughs that they have realized in recent months.

This event is the live embodiment of Cliff's List, which is the oldest and most respected email in the seduction community, providing unparalleled high quality information on how to become or be more successful with women. Chock full of field reports, tips, strategies, reviews, interviews, and a variety of other great posts, Cliff's List has for years been the number one free resource on the Internet for beginners, intermediates and highly advanced students of the art and science of seduction.

Appearing LIVE in Montreal will be the following who are confirmed (listed here in alphabetical order):

Dr. Alex Benzer ( www.thetaoofdating.com)
Apollo ( www.showmeyourgame.com)
Badboy ( www.badboylifestyle.com)
Bart Baggett ( www.myhandwriting.com)
Brent ( www.absolutepowerdating.com)
Brian
Cameron Teone (The One) ( www.buildattraction.com)
Carlos Xuma ( www.datingdynamics.com)
Chet ( www.chetsdatingsystem.com)
Clint Arthur ( www.newsensualpower.com)
Dave M. ( www.insiderinternetdating.com)
David Shade ( www.masterful-lover.com)
Dr. Dennis W. Neder ( www.beingaman.com )
DJ
Doc ( www.lifeskillsnetwork.ca)
Dolly D ( www.cocksanddolls.blogspot.com)
GoneSavage ( http://gonesavage.blogspot.com)
Grant Adams(www.net2bed.com)
Lance Mason ( www.PickUp101.com )
Michael ( www.thedatingwizard.com)
Nick ( www.playboyskool.com)
Nige54(www.nige54.com)
Payton Kane ( www.seduceandconquer.com)
Robert Ruffo
Sin ( www.mysterymethod.com)
Stephane ( www.ideagasms.com )
Steve Celeste (Toecutter) ( www.smoothinteractions.com)
Steve Piccus ( www.sensualawakening.com)
stRiPPed ( www.nllounge.nl )
Rion Williams ( www.modelmagnet.com)
David Wygant (www.dwdating.com , www.davidwygant.com)
Will ( www.youaresoinmyway.com)
Zan ( www.enlightenedseduction.com)

Building An identity

2006-02-26T04:50:00.000-08:00

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Mystery on Building an Identity

I read an article recently by my good buddy Thundercat that said:

"But what Mystery does, though teachable, is very much a style tailored to Mystery. He is successful at what he does because no one else can really imitate him. That's what makes Tyler so amazing to observe. Tyler does the same things as Mystery, but WITHOUT the magic tricks. Yet he is still able to create IMMENSE value for himself. How does he do this? Well, from what I've gathered, his method is more relatable to normal guys like me, because anyone with the proper skillset can use Tyler's methods to create value for themselves."

Thundercat's misunderstanding between a person's customized style and the game plan or method he uses to systematically convey his unique personality concerns me. This is because only a few days ago did we share a 3:00am meal at a diner after our visit to an exotic dance club together.

During our meal Thundercat himself admitted that he doesn't possess a strong identity as I do. I will attempt to resolve his misunderstanding between STYLE and METHOD as well as reveal some insights on how to specifically customize material to convey a unique identity (for both you and my friend Thundercat). Once you customize your material to fit your chosen "strong identity" will you no doubt make others who watch you work wrongfully assume it is your particular identity that gets you the girls and not the method that powers the conveying of it.

(Thundercat's complete article may be found here)

As those who have taken a Mystery Method seminar know, MM consists of three main areas:

PART 1. A format (or game plan) which has 3 stages, each with 3 phases.
PART 2. Mental tools to get you from phase to phase (isolation tactics, kiss tactics, extraction tactics, etc).
PART 3. Scripts and personality conveying material (content) to fill in each of the 9 phases.

While parts 1 and 2 (the MM format and it's tactics) don't change from person to person, part 3 (personality conveying material) does. We each possess a unique identity. You are not me. I am a magician. My wing Style is a writer. Tyler D. is a public speaker. Does this mean you have to be a magician, a writer, or a public speaker in order to attract women? Of course not! But what you DO need is what Style, Tyler D. and I share in common: we each possess a strong identity. Style, Tyler D. and I have each customized our material to convey our strong and unique personalities. That is, in fact, the PURPOSE of personality conveying material. It certainly would be counter-productive to convey that you are a magician if you aren't one. Nor a writer or public speaker for that matter.

Tyler D. and Style use the same game plan or method that I do. How do I know? Because we adapted my original (and now out-of-date) FMAC method into a powerful algorithm together (M3). Both are former students of mine, turned teachers. And yes they have both taught me as much about the game as I have them since we began. (Style lives in the same house as I, and Tyler D. is here too, visiting.) While we all use the same method, we have customized the material so that we each have a different style. In fact, Tyler D.'s style is still evolving. His identity has, for a long time, been one with few attractive qualities: a student. This may be the reason why Thundercat, in misunderstanding the difference between method and style, has concluded that Tyler D.'s material is more applicable to "normal guys" than mine. What this reveals please me: The identity I have chosen is strong enough to confuse even a close friend.

What Style, Tyler D. and I do when we teach others the game is give examples of field-tested personality conveying routines to students. Should our students stick to this STOCK material forever? No way! What they should do is identify who they are and swap out our stock examples for customized stories from their real life as soon as possible. The reason they are given examples is so that they can appreciate what constitutes a good personality conveying routine. Some amazing routines are thankfully generic enough to share ("The Cube" routine for instance), while others must by their very nature be unique to each person.

Like mine, some of Thundercat's material should possess a common theme. He will use this material to draw his target into his world (and not into Mystery's world or Tyler D.'s world). Thundercat's material must specifically suit his identity. Each person who uses MM will ultimately swap out the stock routines we teach them and use original material over time.

I am now revealing this idea outside of my private lounge for the first time here:

GROUNDING: HOW TO GROUND YOUR IDENTITY TO YOUR TARGET'S REALITY WITH YOUR BACK-STORY

I'm sure you've found yourself in a set and have reached the point where your target says, "What do you do?" You either give her your honest but lame answer like, "I'm a student", or "I'm a system's administrator", or worse, you try to circumvent the question entirely with "I'm an ass model."

The problem is you don't have an attractive identity, or if you do, it's not a strong one. Some guys will experiment with "I'm a rockstar", or "I'm a promoter", or "I'm a public speaker", but your target will either feel you are lying (in the same way we believe an "actress" is likely a "waitress"), or if they DO believe your evidence, they become intimidated when you get weighed down by the stereotype they have of you.

If instead of answering her question "What do you do" with "I'm " you can ground your present identity to her reality and harness the opportunity to convey a much richer personality. Here's how you do it.

Instead say:

1. "Well when I was little I wanted to be a ."
2. "When I was a teenager happened." Tell stories about how you got from 1 to 3.
3. "Now I'm . Can you believe it?"

Here is the applied format that I used to ground my identity to a recent HB9's reality. It helped to attract her and build enough comfort to get her back to my place. (Not the exotic dancer but another girl.)

1. What do I do? When I was young I wanted to be a magician.
2. Tell story of my first birthday party magic show and how the money was used to see a Copperfield show. (5 minute story.)
2.1 Tell story of how my biggest audience scared the shit out of me and how I went up and kicked ass. I really get into the fear of it all. (3 minute story.)
2.2 Talk about my first real TV experience. (2 minute story.)
2.3 Tell her about moving to Hollywood and why. This is a "vulnerability routine" in C&T stage. (3 minute story.)
3.0 Tell her what is now on my plate - my WTF? underground internet show, my TV reality show interest, the book I'm writing, and my seminars on various topics such as social dynamics and wealth building. (5 minutes of stories.)
3.1 Tell her what I am planning on doing next - illusion show concepts, publicity stunts, etc. (5 minutes of stories.)

That was at least 23 minutes of story-telling and I was holding this beautiful girl long before I performed any magic. The reason magic works for me of course is because I'm a magician. As Thundercat noted in his article, "Tyler does the same things as Mystery, but WITHOUT the magic tricks. Yet he is still able to create IMMENSE value for himself." This is, to me, compelling evidence to support that you do not need to use my style or do magic in any way to use MM. Tyler D. performs no magic what-so-ever yet can still, by sticking to the method and running his unique personality conveying material, attract women like moths to a flame. Just don't go running around telling women you conduct workshops on social dynamics if you don't. Learn more about my good buddy Tyler D. at www.realsocialdynamics.com. His close friend and business partner Papa lives in my house.

If I just come in and say "I'm a magician", my target really wouldn't feel that we share commonalities or lifestyle. She would have to rely on stereotyping. I would also not appear very humble. She would feel that I'm too different for her and I would otherwise over-qualify myself. Some women it seems would actually reject a date with George Clooney because they don't understand his lifestyle - they feel they lack commonality and this lack creates discomfort. But what if he gave her his back-story and taught her what happened, step-by-step, to him to become who he is today? This is the concept of GROUNDING applied.

By giving my target my back-story, I ground myself to her reality ("When I was as a regular Joe") so that she could see how she too could be the type of person I now am ("This is who I am today") if only she were to make similar decisions along the way. You can even later use this format to encourage your target to ground HER life to YOU during the F2M attract phase by having her stick to the format. Simply ask, "Woah. Back up. So what happened next?"

Notice in my list of grounding stories above that the common theme is "This is what lead me to become who I am today." Thundercat too must do this - once he decides what his identity in fact IS. Does this mean he must steal my identity to do MM? No. He won't be telling stories of his first birthday party magic show. That would be a lie. He won't talk about how he learned the secret to a card trick by beating it out of a classmate of his, or how years later that classmate saw him on TV and said, "I can't believe your future changed that day." No, he won't use my specific material. Nor will you. But both you and Thundercat will use material from your own real life experiences as I do. The format or game plan is the Mystery Method. The personalized MATERIAL you use to fill in the format is what constitutes your style.

If Tyler D. for instance says "I'm a public speaker", what does that mean to his target? She can only go by an accepted stereotype and unless she herself is a public speaker (commonality) he needs to explain how he became one. He must explain that if she did the same things he did, she too would be a public speaker. If he were to say, "I travel the world giving lectures on social dynamics", he would likely over-qualify himself. If he instead said, "Well, when I was in school I went to this seminar" and "I started to help the lecturer for shits and giggles" and then "I taught a little bit at the seminars", he would be grounding his reality to hers. He could then continue with "I started traveling with them for fun during the summer" and then "I put together my own seminar and conducted it for the first time with the help of my friend Papa. It was exciting and I was nervous", and on and on all the way to "Now I travel the world, people look up to me and I make mad cash ... can you believe it? I never would have thought I could do it if you said I'd be doing this 10 yrs ago", he would be grounding his reality to hers using my grounding method and his own original back-story material.

Now, how does one answer the deep question, "Who am I?" A friend of mine told me, "You are what you repeatedly do."

I do magic on a regular basis. I perform it almost every day, whether for a beautiful woman or any other other person. Style writes almost every day (and gets paid for it, making him a full-time professional). Tyler D. mostly focuses on conducting seminars and workshops. What do YOU do on a regular basis? Besides being a social butterfly that is. Remember, the pick-up arts exists to enrich your life, not define it. What stories do you already possess that convey who you have become today?

GROUNDING REALITY is far reaching. It will change the way you M2F attract, F2M attract, and build COMFORT but will not alter their basic structure. It will also change the way you choose and structure routines, sequence them (which routines you will use and when), and convey to your target the way you handle challenges in your life.

So this is what you must now do to improve your game:

1. Figure out who YOU are by looking at what you DO repeatedly - something you can say in a word or two. (ex: magician, writer, toy inventor, CEO, hacker, rock climber, rapper, public speaker, traveler)

2. Come up with several stories that convey how you got from being a normal kid to doing what you repeatedly do.

3. Practice telling these stories to others to make the stories enthusiastic and natural.

Mystery

Responses to pick up lines

2006-02-22T18:34:00.000-08:00

Man: "Hi. I'd like to call you. What's your number?" Woman: "It's in the phone book." Man: "But I don't know your name." Woman: "That's in the phone book too."

Man: "So, what do you do for a living?" Woman: "Female impersonator."

Man: "Haven't we met before?" Woman: "Yes, I am a receptionist at the VD Clinic."

Man: "Want to dance?" Woman: "No, thank you." Man: "Don't thank me, thank God that someone asked you!"

Man: "Hey baby, your place or mine?" Woman: "Both, you go to your place, I'll go to mine."

Man: "Hey baby, what's your sign?" Woman (select one): "Do not enter. Yield. Proceed with caution. Stop. Dead end."

Man: "I know how to please a woman." Woman: "Good, then PLEASE leave me alone."

Man: "Haven't I seen you someplace before?" Woman: "Yes, that's why I don't go there anymore."

Man: "I would go through anything to meet you." Woman: "Okay, let's begin with your bank account."

Man: "May I have the last dance?" Woman: "Whenever it was, you've already had it."

Man: "I would go to the ends of the earth to meet you." Woman: "Yes, but would you stay there?"

Badboy Newsletter #5

2006-02-21T22:03:00.000-08:00

**Best Dating Newsletter**

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CONTENT:
1 PU is easy (Badboy)
2. PU school (Leading)

3. VEGA Badboy workshop testimonial

4. New workshops Announcment.
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1. PU is easy (Badboy)
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There are few small elements in a pick up that makes difference. Difference, will you get laid or not.
Crutial thing is HOW girl feels when you approach her, and when you talk to her. Don’t think that that’s something you don’t have control over it. You have control over all things that surrounds you, her feelings also. She is going to feel the way you make her FEEL.
If you make her feel scared, or insecure, she IS going to be scared and INSECURE, and she is going to run away to toilets. The skill that I have, as well some other great PUAs(Pick-up artists), is that we are able to control girls feeling. We can push their feeling, in the way we like it, and get them into bed. To get girl into bed, its just how you make them feel. All those things: Push-pull, DHV, Alpha body language, routines..etc etc is designed just to make them feel specific thing.
Even direct and indirect approach has its reason behind. It makes them feel something. With indirect approach, girls will be more relaxed talking to you, as you just want to ask them something. With direct approach, they may feel sometimes shocked, or uncomfortable.. So you must use your emotional intelligence to calibrate your approach.
Here is list of emotional states, that girl must go through during pick-up

First emotional state you must push her into is: BEING RELAXED (COMFORTABLE) while talking to you. That state you must get in period of first second to 1 minute max. If you don’t get girl comfortable talking with you in first minute, she is going to disappear, because she doesn’t like feeling you are giving to her.
Being relaxed is a GROUNDWORK emotional state to push her into feeling attraction towards you. It’s impossible to feel nervousness, and that next feeling would be ATTRACTION.
So next ones we have girl relaxed, and calm talking with you, you just need to convey few specific things, and you will get girl ATTRACTED to you.
Things that you must convey to get attraction:
-That you are the MAN
-That you are ABOVE her (that you have more power then she has)
-That you are sexual (good in bed)
-That you have sense for humor
-That you are Interesting
-That you are Adventures
That you are Confident
-That you don’t give a shit about things around you
-That you don’t plan to use her for just One Nightstand
Ones you convey those things, you will get attraction for sure from every girl out there.. How you going to convey those things, it’s up to you. Are you going to use some stories, to convey it, or you are going convey it with your money, or your car, or with your body language / your dressing style, it’s up to you my friend. But if you want to get attraction, you MUST CONVEY those things. Girls are really smart creatures. They can tell you what car you drive, just by looking at your shoes.

Ones you Attracted girl into you, you are just 1\2 way to reach your goal.
Next thing is, RAPPORT. You just connect with girl; you must make them feel like you to really get along. Like you 2 are on same ‘frequency’. for party chicks, Attraction is enough to get them.
Creating connection, between you and girl, conveys, and makes her feel that you don’t just want to fuck her, makes her feel, that you really care about her. So it doesn’t matter if you want just one Nightstand, or long term relationship, or just sex with her from time to time, Rapport is a MUST if you want them to come back.
To create rapport with Party chicks is really easy. Just give (provide) them good sex, and they will come back for more again.

After you connected with girl, you must also make her feel comfortable on your touch. High-fives, kino, palm reading is good way to do it also, as includes lot of touching.

Probably you can notice, that I never mentioned anything sexual in whole process. That’s good, because we don’t want them feel sexual till right time. Until BIG BANG.
For example: Lot of guys do really basic mistake. They go into kissing girl too soon (before he created rapport with girl), and girl is kissing with him, but in same time, she feels weird, because she doesn’t know the guy. So she will never let him to do anything more them KISS. We know this situation as Last-minute-resistance.
Ok, let’s take a look what we have so far.
Girl is into you, she likes you (we have attraction)
She feels, like she knows you (we have good rapport)
She is comfortable on your touch
Basically, girl is ready for sex. Just one thing is missing. LOCATION!

When you have location down (place where she feels comfortable doing it), you just need to run sexual feelings all over her body…It can be a kiss, or touch whatever.
As long it’s sexual.

When you set up good location, basically it’s done. There is no reason why she won’t sleep with you. She likes you, she knows you, and she is there, feeling sexual. SHE TRUSTS YOU!!
Guys, you cannot even imagine how easy this is. You just need to play it from right mindset, and smart.

Badboy.
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2. PU school (Leading)
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Leading is one of crucial aspect of PU, and life in general. People always fallow persons who lead. People want to be led. They want to Fallow. For most people this is not natural state, as they are brainwashed by our society, so they don’t take this as normal. One characteristics of Alpha’s is ability to LEAD. Nobody gets born with it. You must develop this trait. In Pick-up, its really useful tool-skill to have. Why? If you set up from beginning that they gonna listen you what you have to say, and that you will decide things for them, Later things will become much easier. For me, that’s normal. I never thought about this too much. Until, I was forced to teach this skill.
What I usually, do in clubs, is after talking few minutes, I would take her, and change place where we talk. So If we were talking next to dance floor, I would take her by hand, and go sit down to couches or sofa. Like doing lot of MINI venue-changes inside club. Never ask for it. Just take her, and go. But WITHOUT ANY FORCE!!! Write it down do your d-i-c.k . You must do it without any force. If you do it with force, you will get RESISTANCE.This must be done with a smile, and style! More like a James bond style. ZERO FORCE.
If you do it few times in a row, she will get this feeling about you as guy who is in control, and that he can give herself to you, and trust you.
This will kill any Last-Minute-Resistance that usually happens when you get into bed.

Badboy.

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3. VEGA (Nashville Lair Moderator) Badboy Workshop review
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WR: BadBoy Workshop Review March 10 – 13 th with 1 x 1
Now With Actual Action Packed Quotes From Workshop!

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EPISODE IV . . . . . A New Hope
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After a long and harrowing journey through life, our young padawan, Vega decides it is time to finally meet the legendary BadBoy and improve his game. Here is how the story goes . . .

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Background
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I discovered SS in 2001 and lost interest in it. I later discovered DYD, and tried it even though I felt like I was essentially being a jerk. However I did get some numbers and day 2’s using the material. Then I learned material from Another Seduction Forum, Mystery, and Tyler Durden / RSD. Mystery’s stuff helped me out significantly. Very soon afterwards I discovered the Shark CD and BB forum, and I’ve been a believer ever since.

Meeting BadBoy and taking the workshop had become an important goal of sorts; almost close to what one would call making a dream come true. I had heard much about him, and had talked to many of his students online and in person. After meeting one particular student and noting his personality traits and his personality change, I was convinced. Alas, it would take me 6 months of patient waiting before I could take the workshop. And even then I almost did the workshop on a less than shoe string budget until mysteriously good fortune saw to it that I would somehow receive a large sum of money at the last minute.

I was determined to make this happen no matter what, particularly because I like challenges of making what others call impossible, well . . . possible. Would the workshop live up to its reputation? Would I survive England? Read on and find out!

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Day 1
“Hands on a table!”
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Plus!
+++++Very Special Workshop Guest Instructor: Dumas Pere +++++

I was pretty nervous the first day. I was in a different country, and am typically nervous when I travel, even though I know it’s all in my head. When I met another competitor a year ago to do a seminar, I was real nervous, and in fact somewhat sick to my stomach. But BB, just like his competitor both put me at ease very quickly and I became relaxed.

We met at a Starbucks before heading out to a previous student’s home where we proceeded to engage in exercises, and where BB shared with us some of his views on life, PU, and introduced us to some very basic theory.

We got to know each other and BB asked us what we wanted out of PU, and what sticking points we had.

He lectured very briefly and emphasized the importance of being a man, and being alpha before going into exercises and simulations

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Day 1 Evening
“Pussy Designer!”
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During dinner BB made it emphatic that our problems were now his problems and not to worry

Now, the majority of the workshop, or rather training, consisted of several exercises. When a student made a mistake, BB and Dumas Pere made sure the student went through the exercises to make sure they got it right.

After a few hours, we soon went out to dinner, and immediately BB was pushing us into sets in the restaurant!

The first thing BB did, was he had me approach a seated 2 set, and I stayed in set with them for the longest time. Eventually one of the waiters asked BB to ask me to leave them so girls could eat, and BB replied “No. Those girls like to get laid. Trust me.” It threw the waiter off for a while and soon BB asked me to rejoin them, and I number closed one of the girls. Plus I had forgotten about my food, which I left behind, as BB had directed me into set in the middle of dinner.

We went to Leicester’s Square after this. And BB and Dumas had us approaching girls in the station and on the subway car itself.

I was a little nervous, but it was fun.

Later we split up and some of us went to Yates, and others to Metra. The first set I opened at Yates went real well. I did a variety of approaches. I did well with a few sets, and the rest were just learning experiences. Each time Dumas Pere told me what I could have done better.

Then I went to Metra to meet up with BB. This club wasn’t the most happening club that night. He pushed me into a few sets. Not nearly as when I was at Yates, since Metra wasn’t all that packed.

We then went to McDonald’s. This was real fun! We did seated sets, and it was amazing how well some of the guys were doing. I know some of them were amazed at their own progress.

Through out the whole evening in the middle of sets, BB and Crew gave us the silliest topics to talk about and would mention them to us while we in the middle of sets. He would even send us to AMOG each other. Too funny. AMOG’s don’t exist. That was a surprising lesson I learned today. They just don’t. OK, if you’re still skeptical, I’ll put it to you this way: Girl’s don’t believe AMOG’s exist. Why? Because they’re so into you that anything any one says to deter them doesn’t click with them. Out of the entire weekend, I can say only one student was “successfully” AMOG’d (successful is a bit of a subjective judgement if you saw how the set was being run) , and he was ONLY “AMOG’d” once. That student was yours truly.

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Day 2
“European Union, is such a wonderful thing. Imagine all these people living under one united continent . . . “
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This day we did more exercises. We did exercises specifically for rapport. We also did a few more simulations. I loved doing the exercises and simulations during the workshop because it allowed me to think outside the box a lot and be as creative as I wanted to be. For one simulation I was playing a female some guy was supposed to game, and I was so good at being bitchy, BB had me bitch out the students during the simulations (I make a good bitch!) I don’t remember if it was today, or the day before, but we also worked on developing good tonality. This is crucial!

BB pointed out that that the ONLY difference between him and us was in our heads.

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Day 2
Evening / In-Field
“My boss wants to talk to you.”
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+++++ And Special Guest Instructor Appearance By . . . Jolly PUA ! +++++

We ate at Tiger Tiger (Great place to go eat and go clubbing if you’re ever in London).

We did plenty of approaches on the subway before we arrived. One memorable set I ran, was a couple. In fact I didn’t even know it was a couple. BB pointed a blonde right behind him and told me to open her direct.

I sure enough did and she was into me. She was smiling, and biting her lip as I kept talking to her, she was into me. It went well and then she ejects because she has to get off at her stop, and with her walks this guy. BB high fives me (by this point we were becoming high five junkies, we must of looked like old friends from high school!) And every one points out to me that the guy next to her was her boyfriend but that he was so much of a pussy that he didn’t say anything.

When we were at Tiger Tiger, BB of course pushed some of us into sets even whilst in the middle of dinner (oops I mean “while” - I picked up a bit of a British accent while I was there!)

The first set I did went fucking awesome! The girl even saw BB making hand signals to me, and sticking his tongue out at her and making kid faces and she didn’t care. The only thing was I didn’t know how to kiss close her and make it look congruent. After I ejected, BB stated to me what was obvious “The girl was so into you, you were SO close to a kiss close.” I tell him” I wish I knew how.” He said “Don’t worry. We teach that on next day of workshop.”

This girl was hot! Oh well. Live and learn. I did several more sets, each one to varying degrees.

Another set I did well was with this beautiful older blonde British woman. I eventually kiss closed her before she left. No problem whatsoever. She was hesistant for a number close but she did give me her e-mail. This confirmed something that I had suspected I was having some difficulty with: rapport. By the end of the evening I figured this out. No problem. It’s small stuff and should be easy to take care of with enough practice.

The other guys were doing well. I was especially proud of them. Funny story. Two guys ended up making out with the same girl and didn’t even know about it until later since they both gamed her up during different parts of the evening How can a girl resist a guy with good game?

The game is too fucking easy! Let me repeat that again for the skeptics . . . THE GAME IS TOO EASY.

Jolly PUA of course was with us and helped out the whole time and was providing feedback along with BB, and Dumas Pere.

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Day 3
“Every day is gift.”
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Again we met at Starbucks and did exercises.

Today I reminded BB to teach us about kiss closing. Now, I don’t know about the competition’s workshops, but on this workshop we do not kiss each other!

First thing we cover today, just like we did the day before, and the first day, BB asked us about our sticking points.

By this day I was starting to feel different. I wasn’t nearly as nervous as I was the first day. And I certainly wasn’t feeling the way I used to. I started to get different glimpses / insights about life. Plus for the past two nights I had been having fucking fantastic dreams, which occur to me rarely. Like, until this weekend I had only had 2 really good dreams before in my entire life. I take this as a good omen. Plus before I would go to bed, I would hear BB’s voice in my head loud and clear as if he was in the room saying things like “Don’t be excuser, be animal! Go!” The last time something like that had happened, I was at a Richard Bandler seminar. My outlook on life was starting to change.

Finally, we went over dressing styles, and BB talked about lifestyle, and things not PU related we could to do improve our game and our life (Super important note!: Be careful about peacocking in Croatia as Croatians hate anyone they think is gay! Lots of angry skinheads who want to kick gay guys asses – just ask BB about what happened at the very first ever gay parade in Zagreb . . . more like target practice!). He also talked about dating and relationships, and how girls very much want a real man but often times settle for second or third best. I understand now that it is part of BB’s intention to help us not only become better people ourselves, but to also be able to live fulfilling lives, and fulfill the lives of girls who dream of, but sadly will rarely come across, guys like us.

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Day 3 Evening
“This guy is on a workshop to seduce women . . . don’t trust him.”
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During the evening hours I elected to go with BB and do street game. He showed us how to effectively stop girls. I don’t remember much else. We went to McDonalds (our typical late night hang out before ending for the day!).

Of course he pointed to us to do seated sets, and he even had me chase one girl down from the middle of McDonald’s to the que (oops speaking british again. Que = Line in front of register or club in Ameri-speak).

We had soooo much fun. I think this was also the day that one workshop student approached a seated set of strippers who kept telling him to fuck off. I mean every other sentence out of their mouth sounded like this . . . ahem “Fuck off! No really . . . FUCK OFF loser!” Of course the security guards at Mickey D’s didn’t care. He kept plowing through and then after they left they came back and kept telling him to fuck off! Hahahaha!

One very notable set this evening was run by a guy on WS who got a girl to actually hang up her cell phone. His opener? “Hang up.” In seconds he received indication of interest’s and was doing great.

(To throw in another quote “You look like that guy from Ocean’s 11.” “No I’m not that guy I swear!” “Don’t tell me you can’t get laid! I mean you’re famous“ “No! You have me mistaken for someone else promise!”)

Another competitor’s student was there and asked us “So is the WS worth it? Is it good?” At that moment our cell phone interrupting friend was walking out the door leading his target and we pointed to him to answer the question posed by another competitor’s student.

I was so proud of my cell phone interrupting friend as I was afraid he was one of the students who would be having the most difficulty. Nonetheless, he astounded me the entire weekend with his success.

(Note: For all you McDonald’s employees reading this! McDonald’s is a great place to do game!)

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Day 4
One on One with BB and Crew
“Warning: Professional Pick Up Artists Operate in and around the premises . . . .”
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This was a great day. We met up at another Starbucks and were immediately thrust into doing seated sets.

Jolly PUA and I were working together for a good deal of the day. I love this guy, he’s got great energy, and he lives up to his handle because his handle describes him perfectly.

For some reason I sometimes feel pressure to go out and meet women when I am around people in the community, so I told Jolly just to kick back and let me pick my own sets at the store and watch from a distance, which he did.

Now there’s this one great set I ran today at this big department store. I approached this girl and right off the bat it went well. It turns out she’s an international professional buyer (meaning: companies pay her to travel the world, buy products at certain stores, and rate the performance and service provided by the staff . . . plus she gets to keep everything she buys – what a nice life! Getting paid to travel the world and go shopping? Somebody pinch me!).

ANYWAYS, back to my story, I kino’d, I built rapport. She kino’d me. A sweet and attractive older lady, in her early 30’s if not younger (I am starting to notice an effect I have older women! Children in preschool reading this beware! Hide your mommies away from me!)

It was going well, and then everyone was leaving so I ejected but not before I e-mailed closed (We will meet in New York soon!) and surprised her with a standard Italian double cheek-to-cheek good bye. BB later posted on the forum that fclose would have been easy.

After that, I then hung out with BB and another student and we had lunch and chit chatted.

After lunch Jolly and I took off. For some reason, a bit of the excuser in me was coming back and only approached probably most of the sets Jolly pointed out to me. We did outdoor street / daytime game. And then we went to this entertainment center type place where there were a lot of couples playing arcade games, billiards, bowling, etc, etc. I wanted a challenge so we went in. I ended up gaming anyone but couples. Oh well no big deal. My sets were so so. I could open up OK, but rapport and holding the set for a while was a little bit difficult. However, Jolly PUA kept encouraging me. He pointed out what I did well, and what I needed to improve and he did it in a way made me feel at ease with myself.

Soon we met up again at Starbucks and I did a couple more sets before the workshop officially ended.

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Rest of My Time In England
“You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to pick up chicks at McDonalds!”
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After that I ended up hanging out with Dumas Pere even though the workshop was over. Dumas Pere and I chatted, and also ran a few sets too. More than anything else we were having a fantastic time and also happened to be running sets.

And then the next day, Dumas Pere and I hung out again and still ran a few sets. We talked a good deal about life and our interests in general. We had an excellent time and talked about game some more. Pretty much we developed a great deal of rapport and ran sets, but not with the frequency of workshop.

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Conclusion
“Squeeze the shit out of Carpe Diem”
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This weekend was AMAZING. Guys were doing fantastic. Mind you we all came in with various levels of game. Some great, some simply still waiting to “spread their wings”.

Nonetheless, I was so proud of all the guys there and how much their game had improved.

I don’t have to use routines anymore, I can do anything, I can say whatever I want. What you do doesn’t matter, as long as it works. It’s almost as if my natural friends were right all along; “just relax, and be yourself.” You don’t need a masters degree or a PhD to do PU . . . quite the opposite. You don’t need to spend hours everyday reading another seduction forum, you don’t need to spend the rest of your life only doing PU just to get good, you don’t need to buy product after product after product.

Now, the weekend was intense. For example, the whole weekend, even after I ejected sets, BB from time to time would push me back into sets. I did anywhere from 50 to 70 sets. I did over 90% of the sets that were pointed out to me. I was eager to learn and really wanted to improve particularly as I made a promise to myself years ago that women, dating, and relationships was a part of my life that I would get handled no matter what.

Someone once asked me about BadBoy “method.” From what I know I don’t even think he’s ever called it a method. The structure was so basic and pared down that it looks more like the opposite of a method. I mean there aren’t really any rules or 25 points or anything to follow. It’s simple. Meet girl, get into rapport, close. Read that sentence again. That’s IT! Simple. I mean the stuff he was teaching us reminds me of what many of my natural friends do with a great deal of assertiveness and confidence.

In general, I’ve improved a great deal, I get A LOT of indication of interest’s and AI’s and even though I still need to work on a couple of things, I now have a clear sense of what I need to do and how to go about improving. I astounded myself on more than one occasion. It seems as if the exercises although, some of them may seem irrelevant to the untrained eye, served a purpose when it came to PU. In fact the exercises are designed to help us to automatically do the right things during a go out and meet women.

BadBoy, Dumas Pere, and Jolly PUA were very friendly and I developed good rapport with all of them. At times it didn’t even feel like BadBoy was an instructor. It was more like he was an older brother who was giving us pointers at picking up women.

Now to be fair and objective, the only less than positive thing I have to say about the workshop is that at times I had difficulty understanding Jolly because of his accent but I usually got the gist of what he said if I couldn’t understand him after he repeated what he said.

The other thing is, during sets they would give us hand signals as to what to do during the go out and meet women. I always didn’t know what they wanted me to do.

Personally, I would have them kicking me into set after set with less than a minute between sets.

So those are the only two things I would ask them to change. No offense to Jolly PUA! As he is a super money guy, and we took well to each other and he exudes a lot of positive energy. You guys will love him if you ever meet him.

This workshop is amazing. There are only 8 students allowed per workshop so the student to instructor ratio is excellent and attention becomes more personalized, particularly if less than 8 students sign up for a particular workshop. Everything is designed so you do PU easily and with much less conscious effort compared to the competition. It’s simple, fun, and easy to learn. BadBoy lives up to his reputation HANDS DOWN as being the best PUA instructor in the community at the moment. No one else comes close. Ask anyone who has taken another competition’s seminar / workshop and then has taken BadBoy’s. You’ll see a huge difference.

I guarantee you that you will LOVE this workshop. Take BadBoy Workshop not in a month, not later, but take workshop as soon as possible! There is nothing else like it on the market! You owe it to yourself, those whose lives you will touch in your life and the women you will meet in your lifetime, to take this workshop.

My friends, the game is too easy.

Ciao!

Vega

Pick Up lines

2006-02-20T21:53:00.000-08:00

Pick Up Artist
In no particular order, here's our favorite pickup lines, culled from several area bars. Peruse, and then send us your favorites.

* Nice shoes. Wanna fuck?
* What fucks like a tiger and winks? *winks*
* *licks your shoulder* Let's get you out of those wet clothes
* Is that Windex you're wearing? 'Cause I can see myself in your pants.
* Yo, hot bitch. How's your evening?
* The word for the night is "legs". Let's go back to my place and spread the word.
* Ever fucked an Irishman?
* I've got a 6 inch tongue and I can breathe through my ears
* That dress would look great on my floor
* Should I buy you a drink or just give you the money?
* Fuck me if I'm wrong, but is your name Yolanda?
* So, how do you like your eggs?
* Aren't you tired yet? You've been running through my mind all night
* Can I borrow your phone? I need to call heaven and tell them I've found that missing angel
* You know, I haven't had sex in six months. You want to do some charity work?
* Can I kiss you? No? So I guess sex is out, too?
* I'd love to wear your ass as a hat

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2006-02-16T22:27:00.000-08:00

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Picking a Trainer

2006-02-16T19:32:00.000-08:00

Picking a Trainer by
Connirae and Steve Andreas

Seminars and training are a way to gain many skills, abilities, and attitudes well worth learning. Since training is a significant investment of your time and money, it's important to know how to identify excellent training as soon as possible, and to spot mediocre training in advance. We suggest being an "active consumer," and investigate seminar possibilities just as you might carefully investigate the purchase of a home or a car.

Some "trainings" merely present ideas, rather than actually train you in new skills and abilities. Since most ideas can be presented as well in a book or article, a training of this kind can be a more expensive and time-consuming way to get the same information.

Other seminars provide participants with confidence and motivation, but without the behavioral competence to support it. Some seminars are enjoyable, but participants don't leave the training with new skills they can use. Like a concert or a party, they can be worthwhile experiences, as long as they aren't confused with training.

How can you be sure you get the most for your training dollars? Here are some of the things we check for when we think about attending a particular training. We hope these guidelines are useful in finding the best training for you.
A. Before Committing to a Training:
1. Sensory-based evidence: Find a way to get a first-hand experience of the training before you commit to spending a lot of money. Rely on your own experience of the training. A live experience, such as a free preview, is best. A videotape is next best. If that's not available, an audiotape will give you at least an auditory experience of the trainer.

If you can't get any of these, at the very least ask for the names and phone numbers of several people who have completed the training you are considering. If they liked the training, ask "What specifically did you like?" and "What specifically can you do now as a result of the training that you couldn't do before?" Some trainers act like an expert or make you feel good in the seminar, but do not teach you skills or abilities that you can apply immediately and automatically in your life.

2. Trainers: When you consider a program, check who the trainers are, and for how many days. Some trainings are advertised without any names, or with the name of a well-known trainer. It may turn out that the "big name" will only teach a small portion of the training, and less-skilled trainers or apprentices will teach the rest.

3. Recommendations: Trust your own impressions of a trainer first, and recommendations from people you know who have experience with the trainer next. Be cautious about brochure quotes, even from famous people. Some sponsors and trainers make up quotes from other people and/or use quotes without permission or quotes that are outdated. Occasionally "big names" give endorsements based on a monetary relationship, rather than on the trainer's skill.

4. Degrees and Certificates: Trust your own experience of the trainer over a certificate or degree. The meaning of a certification or degree varies as widely as the grantor. A degree may be a good measure of academic record (the ability to take tests and do homework), but usually has little to do with training ability.
B. What to check for when you're in a training:
We've emphasized the importance of getting an experience of the trainer. When you attend a free preview or short seminar, how can you determine whether this seminar trainer is delivering maximum value for you?

5. Demonstrations versus Information: Do you get live demonstrations of the methods being taught, or do you only get a long string of words, a "core-dump" of information that would be much cheaper to read in a book? Research repeatedly demonstrates that over 80% of the impact of communication is nonverbal. This means you'll get a much more complete understanding of any method if you observe a demonstration than if the trainer only tells you what to do. We once went to an expensive training taught by a well-known author who essentially read his book aloud to the audience (for a fee of $6,000 per day!).

There are many ways in which the trainer can demonstrate methods to you. The trainer can ask for a volunteer from the audience with whom to demonstrate or role-play. The trainer can bring in a "naive client" or can invite the entire group to participate in an experiential process that provides a demonstration of what she is teaching.

6. Exercises: After demonstrating, does the trainer provide ways for you to make the new skills a part of your behavior? It's usually easiest to learn skills when the trainer sets up a series of carefully-designed supervised exercises or tasks that allow you to practice new skills in a comfortable and safe manner. A good training begins by training you in smaller component skills, and then assists you in easily putting these skills together to work for maximum impact in a real context. Understanding alone won't get you results in your life. You should leave a good seminar able to do more than when you walked in.

7. Evidence: After attending the seminar and learning new communication (or other) skills, do you know what specific evidence you can use to verify whether what you have learned is working? Is it getting you better results than you would have gotten anyway? In a good training, you'll know what kind of evidence to check for.

Make sure you experience the kinds of results you want. Some trainers are flashy and charismatic, but don't train you in a way that gives you results.

8. Nonverbal presuppositions: What beliefs or attitudes are presupposed in the trainer's nonverbal behavior; and are they the ones you want? Does the trainer talk about the importance of flexibility, but respond rigidly? Does he communicate that he wants you to learn, or that he just wants to razzle-dazzle you? Does the trainer treat you as a peer who can learn the same skills the trainer has, or does the trainer act like a superior "guru" whom you can admire but can't hope to emulate? A good trainer will presuppose that anyone can learn--it's a matter of finding a way for each person to learn most easily.

9. Questions: A good trainer will welcome questions, and will respond to questions and challenges by demonstrating a greater depth of understanding of the material. Does the trainer respond respectfully, or nonverbally discourage or eliminate questions, provide weak answers or a "smokescreen," or promise to "get to it later" and then fail to do so?

10. Response to nonverbal cues: Since nonverbal communication is so important, a good trainer will notice nonverbal cues from the audience or the demonstration subject, and vary her behavior accordingly. Does the trainer notice what this group needs, and vary the training plan in response? Is he aware when the audience is getting restless and needs a break?

11. Self-accolades: Does the trainer spend lots of time (which you are paying for) telling you about the miraculous things he has done? When a trainer is effective, he doesn't need to tell you how wonderful he is, he can demonstrate it. If he gives you examples of his previous successes, does he tell you how he got the results, so that you can learn to get the same results, or does he just say, "I achieved X, Y and Z" in order to impress you?

12. Quality Control: Does the trainer provide ways to verify that participants are actually learning the skills he is teaching? Capable assistants, closely-supervised exercises, and individual task assignments can all serve this function.

13. Promises: A good trainer will follow through on what he promises to deliver.

14. Excuses: Since every training can be improved, a good trainer can easily admit a mistake, and will welcome suggestions to improve the training. Does the trainer try to cover up his lack of ability or a poorly-organized training, or does he blame participants when things don't go well?

15. Humor: The best single aid to learning is humor--the kind that is infectious, laughing with others, or at the human condition, but not at anyone's expense. If you find a trainer who has this, along with the other qualities we've listed, you've found someone you're likely to be pleased with.

You may have additional criteria for trainings that meet your professional needs and personal desires. With so much to be gained from a good training or seminar, we think you'll find it worthwhile to sift carefully through the available trainers to find the ones who provide what you need and want. You can learn skills that help you to be more successful in your professional life; you can also learn how to get more of what you want in your personal relationships while making those around you happy. By attending high quality trainings, you can also expose yourself to wonderful models, an important next step to getting where you want to go in your life.

Self Confidence

2006-02-15T23:42:00.000-08:00

Years ago while running an at-home daycare, I came to realize that we’re all born with an innate sense of self-confidence. Every single child under the age of five that I have ever observed has had a strong self-confidence in at least one area of their life. Most kids had confidence in all areas of their lives. It seems to me that they systematically lose that confidence and it’s replaced by an inner critic. Quite often it’s the child’s home life, but sometimes it’s the schools, neighborhood kids, extended family, or some other person who unknowingly destroys the child’s belief in themselves. Children have to be told they aren’t good enough, strong enough, smart enough, talented enough to accomplish whatever it is they’re trying to do. Unfortunately, most of us are told exactly that. So, how do we rebuild that sense of self-confidence?

The first thing I want you to do is to imagine that you had an ideal loving emotionally supportive childhood. Think about what kind of person you would have been if you had been raised to believe in yourself and in your natural gifts and talents. What were those gifts and talents? What were you really good at? What kinds of activities came easy for you? Now write down a list of talents, traits, attributes, and gifts that you loved and probably excelled at before you were convinced that you weren’t any good at them. Choose items from that list for the next step.

Self-confidence is broken a piece at a time. So you’re going to rebuild it a piece at a time. Pick things from your list and plan out tiny baby steps. Were you meant to be a great artist? Then start out by doodling. Just start carrying a pencil and paper around with you and allow yourself to absentmindedly doodle little pictures. Eventually, allow the passion to find it’s way through you and you will begin to draw bigger and better, adding paints or whatever medium you were always meant to use. Were you supposed to be a musician? Then start humming little tunes in your head, begin playing around with an instrument. If it’s possible, carry an instrument around with you and whenever you’re bored or have some downtime, just sit and absentmindedly allow your fingers to play with it until the music within you begins calling to you again. Whatever the thing, pick something from your list and begin to play with it without paying a lot of attention to being perfect or talented or anything else. Just hold the tools and space out awhile so that you can get out of your own self-consciousness and just play with the tools. Nobody has to know if you don’t want them to.

Repeat this process as much as you can. Keep picking up pieces of yourself on that list and adding them back into your sense of self. Don’t wait until you’ve become really good at the first new skill before picking up another one. Just play with each item on your list as the mood crosses you. There’s no need to beat yourself up for not being super talented because in reality all you are doing is simply playing with toys that remind you of your childhood. Allow your inner child, inner teenager, inner artist, inner musician to simply play. Eventually, you will come to realize one day that you do have natural gifts and talents and that will go a long way towards building your self-confidence.

That’s all good and well if your confidence problems center around skills, but what if your lack of self-confidence happens to be in the interpersonal relationships area? Are you painfully shy? Too afraid of rejection to even reach out to connect with others? Do you beat yourself up for not looking just so? Depending on the severity of your self-sabotaging belief system, you may want to get a professional therapist to help you with this. If it’s not too bad, but you have less self esteem then you would like to have, then ask someone that you trust to help you with this part. Ask your friend to point out examples of other people who look or act like you. For example, if you think you’re fat and everyone says you’re not, then have your friend point out to you other people who are built like you. Have them compare your figure to someone famous. Chances are they won’t say Orson Wells! Few people are really horribly fat. Eventually, it’ll sink in that you are not really as fat as you think you are. If you’re really worried that people will think you’re stupid or dull when they first meet you, then have your friend rehearse with you so that you can feel comfortable making small talk with new people.

What if through practicing a new skill or through working on social skills and your personal image with a friend, you find out that you need to actually work on something? Maybe you do have a few pounds to lose. Maybe you need singing lessons. Okay, so be it. That’s not a reason to quit moving forward with building upon your fragile new sense of confidence. Just go get the help, the lessons, the workout routine, the coaching or whatever else it is that you need to continue moving forward. There will always be teachers and coaches of some sort because there will always be people reaching beyond where they already are. The only problem with a low self-confidence is that we stop giving ourselves permission to learn new things. The fact that we don’t know how to be or do everything perfectly is not a good reason to lose confidence in ourselves. As long as you can play at new things and can learn, then you are able to improve and grow. At some point, turn around and look at how far you have come. Pride will show itself.

Copyright 2004, Skye Thomas, Tomorrow’s Edge

Skye Thomas is the CEO of Tomorrow’s Edge, an Internet leader in inspiring leaps of faith. Her books, articles, and astrological forecasts have inspired people of all ages and faiths to recommit themselves to the pursuit of happiness. To read more of her articles, free previews of her books, go to www.TomorrowsEdge.com. To read more about Skye and to sign up to receive her free weekly newsletter, go to www.SkyeThomas.com .

Realsocialdynamics, Realsocialdynamics emails about a workshop complaint

2006-02-15T03:54:00.000-08:00

Real Social Dynamics Poor Customer Service Example

After seeing his quite damning review of Real Social Dynamics cause such a stir on this site, Swinger555 wanted me to post the email exchanges he had with the RSD crew so he could show a real example of how he was treated.

(And for those of you wondering, it certainly seems as though the instructor in question is indeed Xaneus, also known as Todd)

From: "Swinger555"
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:43:56 -0500

Xaneus called me and I'd rather not talk to him. I'm feeling very screwed right now :) You can just send this to him.

He claimed we had a communication problem. That's a lie. Before my bootcamp I sent him an email detailing what I'd like to do during the course of my program. I even told him within the first ten minutse of meeting him what I'd like. And that was field work. Instead, I'm still given 15 hours of seminar which was a complete waste of time. I could have sat at home and read through the asf archives for FREE.

I also said I wanted demonstration. I get seminars every week at our lair meetings. I get guys pushing me into set everytime I go out. I don't get to see an example of how someone really GOOD works a set. And guess what, I still really haven't seen it. He refused to do sets. I asked him numerous times. He flat out said no. Finally at the very end of day 3 he agreed to do one. I was expecting to see him do lots of sets. Even if they didn't go over well (that's understandable) just seeing his structure, and body language would have given me role model to follow. I learn by example. Just like in class, the teacher could explain how to do a math problem by saying subtract five, square root, take the derivative, but until I see examples on the board I'm clueless.

Again I'm very very upset with the way things went down this weekend. Despite the fact that tons of people told me not to spend my money on this, I went in with an open mind, and I was even THRILLED that Xaneus would be my instructor. But he simply blew me off. I'd like to request a second bootcamp where things are done right, or my money back as promised if I wasn't satisfied.

So as some advice to him on running future programs for people that have actually been in the game for awhile, give some customer service. A manager at a restaurant is not going to be rude or blow off his customers. We're paying $1500, that's our part. Do your part and make us happy.

From : Tyler
Reply-To :
Sent : Tuesday, February 7, 2006 3:11 PM
To : "Swinger555"
Subject : Re: About my bootcamp.

Hey Michael,

In response to your complaint, I have forwarded your emails to Todd (who I know was moved by your feedback, and would still very much like to speak with you), as well as created a new and extremely detailed evaluation form. It is now four pages long, with questions about whether or not the instructor found out what theory was already known and covered new theory, whether or not the instructor was sensitive to individual needs, whether or not the instructor devised a customized program, whether or not the instructor did adequate demonstration, and many others. It also very strongly encourages open and honest feedback, and has the head office's phone number on the form instructing the students who are not capable of giving honest feedback to their instructors to use the second recourse of calling me or Papa and letting us know what's going on before the program has been completed and there's nothing we can do to fix it.

From: "Swinger555"
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:02:09 -0500

Thanks... I think, but this doesn't help me. I don't see how talking to Xaneus is going to resolve anything either. I spent three days with the guy, and after that I'm sure all he's going to do is condescend me/try to convince me my bootcamp was a success.

I'll say it again, I don't even want a refund, all I want is a second experience where things are done right. If you can't provide that, then yes, I would like my money back.

Glad I was the guinea pig to help your company though :)

From : Tyler

Hey Michael,

I don't expect that from Todd at all. I think he just wants to talk to you and learn from your experience. It's up to you if you want to return his call.

As for your bootcamp, I do think that it's important for you to focus (ie: cycle in your mind) on what you DID learn from it. While you might not have had the experience you wanted, it's inconceivable to me that you would have learned absolutely nothing.

If that's the case, then before shelling out more money I would invest your time into reading products such as Tony Robbin's "Awaken The Giant Within" and his audio product "Time Of Your Life", as well as Brian Tracy's "Psychology of Success", so that you can learn more about how your mind is literally addicted to being in certain states, and how you will focus on certain things in order to continually bring yourself back into that state.

I say that not to downplay your experience in any way whatsoever (as you see I've made changes to long standing procedures based on your email), but rather because these things are extremely valuable to your progress.

Aside from that, as I said, if there's anything that I personally can do for you, let me know.

According to Swinger555, after this Tyler started ignoring his emails. When he stopped getting a response from TD, he tried contacting Papa, who was a little less diplomatic in telling the dude to piss off.

From: "Swinger555"
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:52:07 -0500

Papa, I'm not sure if you're up to speed on what happened with my bootcamp last week, but here is a copy of the review I'm going to post. I emailed TD about this, and he blew me off. I've asked for a second experience numerous times. Xaneus called me yesterday asking for feedback on what he could have done better, and then hung up on me while I was in the midst of explaining to him. I'm very dissapointed in the way I was treated Papa, I expected better of you guys.

From : Papa

Reply-To :
Sent : Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:47 PM
To : "Swinger555"
Subject : Re: My bootcamp sucked.

Dear Mr. (Swinger555),

I have reviewed your correspondence with our staff. The factual and legal contentions contained therein are inaccurate and incorrect. Therefore, we will not be providing you with the requested refund.

You received the service exactly as advertised. Although you gave an excellent testimonial for the service on your evaluation form for Real Social Dynamics, you contacted our staff asking for a refund.

Over the years we have had to formulate various company policies. These policies have never been arbitrarily adopted, but rather chosen in order to be able to accommodate our customers by providing our product at the lowest conceivable price while remaining in business.

One of these policies is that our customers have 10 days prior to attending a live program in which to decline any services for a transfer and 24 hours after making a deposit to receive a full refund. We feel this allows sufficient time to decide whether to attend our service and be assured of its quality prior to attending our program. If you request a refund outside of this time duration, your request is systematically declined.

The reason why this is in place is because we fly our instructors to our live programs and we pay for their lodgings, which is what likely happened to accomodate our instructors for your program.

I hope you will understand why we must take this position.

Sincerely,

Papa
President, Real Social Dynamics

From: "Swinger555"
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:09:39 -0500

I didn't ask for a refund. I don't event a refund. What I do want is the experience you guys promise and advertise, and it was denied to me. I did pay $1500 for a reason afterall. Interesting that you sent me letter which was blatantly copied and pasted.. tells me you've had to send it before in the past. I'm not surprised.

I am appalled at the lack of customer service or compassion you have for your clients.

From : Papa
Reply-To :
Sent : Monday, February 13, 2006 3:52 AM
To : "Swinger555"
Subject : Re: My bootcamp sucked.

You can forward all your future correspondence to legal@realsocialdynamics.com.

It's interesting the guy wasn't even asking for a refund and he gets blown off completely. Whatever happened to actually HELPING guys who wanted it? it's not like Swinger555 sprung this stuff on RSD, he had contacted them before signing up for the workshop, told them exactly what he wanted, they agreed, and then didn't deliver. And when he contacted them about delivering on what they agreed upon, he gets ignored.

Live demonstration is a very important part of every workshop, because that's where students get a frame of reference to build their skills on. Mystery was always very good at this aspect of teaching. But if you're paying a bunch of money and actually really, really want to see your instructor strut his stuff, shouldn't you be entitled to that?

Now, I don't know Xaneus very well. I got nothing against the dude. But it sounds like he shouldn't be teaching workshops. And if you decide to deal with RSD, this is the kind of response you can expect to get.

Again, buyer beware.

Realsocialdynamics

2006-02-14T23:52:00.000-08:00

This is a post on www.thundercatseductionlair.com
about RealSocialDynamics

I, too, have been taken by the RSD scam artists. I was subject to the worst experience, and biggest waste of money in my life.

As the fourth guy in my lair to be ripped off by these guys, we've started a mission to try to inform as many people as possible as to how these guys operate. I'd like to request that you post my review on yoru front page for all to see.

So he forwarded me a review of his experience that was posted on the Mystery Method Message Board, and I must say, it's pretty damning...

Swinger555 writes:
If you are considering taking a RSD bootcamp, I urge you to read this review first.

Last November I signed up for a RSD bootcamp and I took the Feb 3-5 bootcamp in NYC. While I knew that it isn't a magic pill going into it, I was promised by TD personally over the phone that the bootcamp would be tailored to my individual needs, and would shave a minimum of one year off my game. On top of that, they claim these things on their website:

"1- We take you out into malls, cafes, restaurants, and clubs to demonstrate how to meet women right in front of you.

2- We act as your personal wingman and meet women together.

3- We get you doing it step-by-step (what to say, the right body language, how to create sexual tension, everything.

4- We work with you and give you the kind of potent and crucial feedback that you need to get this area mastered until you've got it sorted out.

The program is structured so that even if you've never approached a woman in your entire life, you'll feel totally comfortable and at ease."

Lies. All lies. They fulfill none of these things; it's just marketing hype to lure an unsuspecting individual into giving them his or her money.

Before I took my bootcamp, I sent out multiple emails to my instructor and the coordinators stating what I'd like to do during my bootcamp, and what I'd like to accomplish. Because this was supposed to be a customized bootcamp, I requested the majority of the time to be spent in field, as well as adequate demonstration so I could see what "good" looks like, and have a role model to follow. When I brought these things up to my instructor upon meeting him, after he received my email and promised to fulfill my requests, he told me "We'll see." We'll see? Last I checked, I am the customer, am I not?

I arrived at my bootcamp early in NY to meet my instructor. I was actually thrilled at who my instructor was, as I'd heard he lived for over a year in the Project Hollywood mansion with Mystery and his gang, so his game had to be top notch right? On top of that, it was a 2on1 bootcamp as opposed to a 4on2, meaning more sets, and more attention. Things were looking great. To all those who knew me beforehand, I was very much looking forward to this experience, and went into it with an open mind.

Or so I thought... My instructor was actually nervous and a bit fidgety upon meeting him. Now I can understand nervousness is human, but it struck me as odd as this is supposed to be a guy who's a mPUA, and has conducted hundreds of workshops. I would soon find out that he is indeed a social robot, and lacks the ability to vibe on anything else besides game. There were many times where I, the other student, and my instructor would be walking down the street, in complete silence. I guess the term "Real Social Dynamics" is used very loosely.

The first two days of the bootcamp ran from 7:00pm to 2:00am, and we'd spent from 7-11 in a boring seminar, where my instructor drudged on and on, preaching theory and material that I already knew, and can easily be researched via the asf archives (hence why I requested the majority to be field work, and was promised to me beforehand). We'd spent the other 2 and a half hours in a club, where my instructor pushed me into sets. Here's the thing though.. he refused to demonstrate any sets whatsoever. He flat out said no. In fact, during the course of the three days (21 hours) I witnessed him approach a total of four sets, only one that I could actually hear him in. I was highly upset by this as one of the main reasons I decided to take this bootcamp was to see how the masters do it live and up close. I now have second doubts about my instructors ability to perform, as I feel he was making excuses just so he didn't have to approach.

As far as feedback went, here was the feedback I got after approaching sets at the end of the night. "Good job on approaching man, you did what 99% of asf can't do."

That was it. No constructive feedback at all. In fact I was so upset with the way things were going, and the complete lack of caring by my instructor, that I actually left the program early one of those days, with no desire to continue. It was so bad, I was tempted to not even attend day three at all.

Day 3 was a total joke. It ran from 11pm to 6pm. We spent the first five hours of that in another seminar, going over the exact same material we had gone over the first two days. The second hour we went shopping at various clothes stores so my instructor could show us what's currently in style. That was the magic makeover they promise. You can get this same experience watching the fashion channel. Finally, the last hour we spent in field. That's right, a mere one hour on Sunday was spent doing field work. Highly disappointing.

After this complete waste of money, I emailed TylerDurden the following day, stating my concerns, giving him a chance to somewhat remedy the situation. His replies contained the context of "We have your money now, and there's nothing we're going to do for you." In fact, I didn't even want my money back. I would of liked a second bootcamp where things are done right. I even tried to negotiate for a single phone coaching session, where I could at least learn something. No deal. He even had my instructor call to confront me on why I thought the bootcamp was bad. Very disappointing, considering TD states claims that their customer service has gone up 1000% over the past two years.

So if you like throwing money away, the RSD bootcamp may be for you. Before you consider spending that $1500, I would suggest giving yourself a makeover, donating that money to the homeless, or hell, put it in a brief case, go to the center of your city, open it, and let it blow away in the wind. The money will be better off, trust me.

Hell, if you'd like, I can give you the exact same bootcamp experience for a mere $20.

To sum up:

Pros:
-I got a new pair of jeans which cost me $283.

Cons:
-Over the course of three days (21 hours) we spent a mere 6 hours in field.
-Over the course of three days, my instructor demonstrated a total of four sets and refused to do more, despite my numerous requests and pleads.
-Seminar material was unoriginal, and can be found on these forums for free.
-Complete lack of customer service.
-Complete lack of caring about the students success.
-The entire bootcamp experience.

If you have any other questions regarding my experience, please don't hesitate to email me at sliek0722@aol.com. I am the fourth guy in my lair who has had a bad experience with RSD, and I will be the last. I'd like to make sure you guys make an informed decision before signing up with these guys.

What? Tyler making outlandish claims that turn out to be untrue? Never! (sarcasm off)

From my past experience with RSD, I can say that stories like this aren't new. There are rumors that Double Your Dating stopped endorsing their workshops at their seminars because David D. was getting similar complaints from his attendees. And most people who know the people running RSD know these two simple facts about them:

1. They're greedy as all get-out.
2. They're habitual liars.

It wasn't uncommon for RSD to have instructors who were barely students themselves (and who they know couldn't get laid) teach in-field workshops and bootcamps regurgitating Tyler-ese just so they could fit in more workshops and make more money. In fact, in the Project Hollywood days, Papa's bedroom looking very similar to a sweatshop, with young guys doing all the grunt work for RSD in exchange for the promise of personal coaching with women. Little did they know that a lot of that personal coaching was in the form of becoming "instructors" before they were ready.

This isn't the first time RSD has screwed over workshop students either. First of all, there's the famous Oriel incident where they were actually taken to court - and lost - for false advertising. And according to Swinger555, three other guys in his local lair have had similar experiences.

Now, I haven't had any contact with Papa, TD, or anyone from the RSD crew for a while, simply because I've been banned and ostricized from their organization in a move reminicent of MINE'99. But this is par for the course for RSD. If you read Neil Strauss' book "The Game," you'll notice they did the exact same thing to Mystery, Style, and anyone else they consider a threat (what wasn't in that book is how they did the same thing to people like Badboy, Cameron, Dreamweaver, Sickboy, and Playboy LA).

If you got something bad to say about RSD, here's what they'll do:

* First, they'll isolate you and close ranks.
* Then, they'll bad-mouth you to their people and villify you.
* If you voice your opinions on mASF or any other venue (like this blog), they mobilize and attack you under fake names so they can claim they don't care and you aren't important enough to respond to. This is how they get their cake and eat it too.
* And then they'll get loyal followers to attack you as well, and post rebuttals to try and offset the damage of your claims.
* (No doubt you'll see all this in action in the responses to this post)

But the thing they can't get past is this: There is a HISTORY of people talking about RSD's shady business practices. You can't ignore the fact that it's persistent. Other workshops might get the occasional disgruntled attendee, but RSD seems to be racking them up in spades. So I'll just leave it at this:

Buyer Beware.

Mysterymethod

2006-02-08T12:01:00.000-08:00

not that I agree with most of this...but for everybody's knowledge:

Be Louder -- Err on the side of being too loud than too quiet, especially in noisy venues. In any group you approach, every member of the group should be able to hear you comfortably. Vocal muscles are like any other muscle. You need to work them out. They will tire and become sore. And then your body will repair them to be stronger and more effective.

Improvise -- Canned material is fine, but don't make it a crutch. You should never leave a conversation because you "ran out of things to say". Improvise. Try something -- anything! Even "so, uhhh, where are you from" is better than wandering off. You may not come up with the next spectacular line right away, but your subconscious will be thinking about it. Stay in enough conversations without a safety net of canned material, and you'll start to get really, really good.

Smile on the approach -- You don't have to keep your smile plastered on, but smile in the first 1-3 seconds when you first approach. This will make people, especially women, more open to you.

Stand up straight -- If she can't hear you, don't lean in, just be louder. If you can't hear her -- who cares. At least for the first minute or two. Just continue with whatever you are talking about or start a new conversational thread. After a few minutes, or when you need to work in A3, then you can move her (or the group) somewhere quieter.

Be 'normal' and social -- not a pickup shark -- Don't circle around the venue looking for your prey. Those guys are "losers" and women don't want any part of them. Don't stand side by side with your guy friend, intently watching everyone else, and then finally approaching a girl. Trust me, the girl saw you staring earlier. Instead, relax, be social, and have fun! Talk to guys, mixed groups, women you're not attracted to, whomever is there. Apply the Mystery Method from within that framework. Oh, by the way, if you don't find yourself successfully doing this, then make sure you go out a few times to the very same venues that you would use to meet women, but instead practice just being social and being part of the larger group. When you do this, don't bother with the structure of the Mystery Method. Don't pick up any women. Just talk, have fun, get comfortable with your surroundings, and meet people. Then go back and use your new social skills as a jumping off point for the 9 phases and your routines.

Use the 3 second rule (see OAP #2)

With a trained instructor, bypassing these and about a dozen more typical "new guy" mistakes can be accomplished quickly. By yourself, it may take a while, so be persistent and don't lose faith. Remember -- we were all in your shoes once. Every Mystery Method instructor was once a student. So we understand the road you're on, and we want you to succeed.

Speaking of success, learning to be a Venusian Artist has often been compared to climbing a mountain. At first, you're on the bottom and can only see the first crest. It looks like the top of the mountain, but you know it's not. Kind of like - you see your first challenge, or sticking point, might be delivering good attraction material. Then you get that down, and you notice that your interactions with women are falling apart because of bad body language. You didn't know you had improvement opportunities with your body language before, because you were getting blown out before that problem could surface. So that's the next crest. And so on. Learning to be a Venusian Artist can be thought of in some ways as being a process of sequentially solving increasingly advanced sticking points.

Mysterymethod

2006-02-08T12:00:00.000-08:00

n OAP 7, we want to talk about some basic fashion and style types that will make everything you do more successful. We'll also get into lifestyle a little bit. In the past, we've been reluctant to be too detailed about this stuff. Fashion and style is one way of conveying your identity, and one of our best weapons is our ability at bootcamps to help you identify and express an identity that both fits you well and is interesting to beautiful women. However, that being said, we can definitely tell you what NOT to do, and that's a start. So, in no particular order . . .
1. Untuck that shirt -- Don't go out to a social gathering with a collared, button-down shirt that is tucked in. It's not in style. Trust us.

2. Be taller -- There are plenty of brands of very fashionable shoes and boots that give you extra height. I'm 5'10 normally and 6'1 in the kick-ass pair of black buckled dress shoes that have a couple of inches underneath. Those extra inches help. Trust me.

3. Burn that t-shirt -- Don't wear a white t-shirt under your dress shirt. That's very 1980s. It conveys a lack of sexuality. Undo the top two buttons of your shirt (no more!) and show a tiny bit of your chest. If this exposes mounds of chest hair, then get that taken care of too. While you're at it, get rid of short-sleeved button-down shirts too.

4. Get some ornamental stuff -- Earrings, funky shoes, rings, hats, scarves, neck-chains, wrist bands, whatever. Get something. What is purely ornamental (e.g., a double breasted suit, cuff links, a peacock's tail) is sexy. What is purely functional generally is not. See how Mystery, Lovedrop, Sinn, Matador, Future and the other guys dress, and you'll get it. If you're stuck, Mystery demonstrates a few different peacocked outfits in the Video Archives.

5. Make your clothes fit -- Why spend $80 on a great shirt that doesn't fit if you won't spend $5-$10 to have it altered? If it doesn't fit you perfectly, spend a couple of bucks, take it to a dry cleaner/alterations place, and get them to make it flatter your body.

6. Remove excess hair -- If you have any hint of your eyebrows touching, wax or shave them so there is separation. Nose and ear hairs are sexy to no one. Make sure your sideburns, if you have them, have a neat line and definition and are at the same length on each side. Most women prefer shaved chests too, though this varies.

7. Squelch acne -- First, if you're still getting acne, see a dermatologist. Second, for your acne scars, consider laser skin care (expensive) or makeup (cheap). Get a female friend to help you buy a cover up stick and some powder. You can make your zits vanish for the night.

8. Whiten your teeth -- It's cheap and easy. Go through your dentist, not those white strips. No excuses.

9. Work out -- No excuses. Just do it.

10. Glasses -- Glasses are sexy on some men. They are not on most men. Ask men in the game whether you look better with them on or off. If it's off, try contacts or surgery.

11. Relax -- Have you done all of this? Great. Now you're out meeting women, don't worry about this anymore. You've done the best you can with what you have. Girls WILL notice. If you rated your looks from 1-10, a 6 who takes care of himself (and looks like an 8 because of it) is infinitely more attractive to a woman than an 8 who is a slob (and stays an 8).

We go over this stuff in intense detail at the bootcamps, but most of it is pretty individualized -- it has to work for YOU. So use the above as a guide, but there is no substitute for getting advice from men who are in the game and have a great skillset. Don't go to your other frustrated friends for advice -- they don't know what they are doing either. Don't rely too much on women's advice -- they will try to dress you up like a Ken doll and women generally don't really know what attracts them anyway. Find the best guy you know, and ask him.

Mystery Method

2006-02-08T11:59:00.000-08:00

If you remember from OAP 5, you enter the Seduction phases after you and her have spent (usually) at least a few hours together, but not more than about 10.

Seduction is a pretty easy element in itself. It goes wrong for a lot of guys, but this is because of mistakes in Comfort that only become apparent when you try to close the deal in Seduction. It's like trying to tell a joke. You may feel that you can't deliver punch lines well, because you don't get the laughs. But the mistake may not be in the delivery of the punch line. Your punch line may be just fine. But if the buildup and lead-in aren't any good, no punch line in the world will save you. Seducing a woman is the same way. If you haven't done your groundwork, there's no Seduction game in the world that will help you.

If you'll permit me a small tangent here, this is a frequent pattern in the Mystery Method. Problems in one phase often don't become apparent until a later phase. For example, many guys who think they have problems in attracting a woman (A2: Attraction) often have decent attraction skills but are bad at opening (A1: Opening). If you start off badly or awkwardly, it's much harder to make a woman receptive to your attraction material. So the cause of the problem is in A1, but the symptom only appears in A2. Similarly, guys who have trouble in Comfort don't realize that this is often due to rushing through or skipping (A3: Qualification).

How do you know if your Comfort game was smooth? Well, ideally, you should be entering Seduction with the following elements already in hand:
You've spent 4-10 hours together
You've kept the attraction/sexual tension with her going while making her comfortable with you and trusting you
It feels totally normal to both of you that you are touching each other (non-sexually).

(If you can't get this done consistently, go back re-read OAP 5. If that doesn't work, get the ebook and at least DVD 3 of the Mystery Method Video Archive. I'm not trying to sell you stuff you don't need, just telling you where things are. L'il ol' Francis doesn't make any money whether you buy anything or not)

All good with Comfort? Great. Now let's jump into Seduction.

Seduction, to a successful man, is mostly about logistics. You have attraction. You have comfort. She is ready to sleep with you. She may not think she is, but that's because she is conditioned to avoid -- at all costs -- feeling like she is 'easy'. That's one of the worst things one woman can say to another. So be understanding of her psychology, and LEAD her to sex so she doesn't have to take responsibility or feel easy. Three key rules:
1. Make it feel "natural". Any time a woman thinks "If I do this (go home with him / let him take my bra off / etc), it's going to lead to sex", there is a risk that she won't do it, even if she actually wants to sleep with you. Don't argue with this logically; it is part of many women's psychological makeup and we have to work with it. This can be very subtle. Saying to a woman "would you like to come back to my house" makes her decide right then and there if she wants to escalate sexually. In contrast, going for a walk, passing by your house, leading her inside "for a second" while you get your wallet or use the bathroom, will not trigger that reflex in women if done properly. Result is the same -- she's in your house -- but you haven't triggered any of her reflexes to avoid thinking of herself as "easy".

2. Distract her when it's necessary to be "unnatural". Say you are leaving a party with an attractive woman. You each live 20 minutes away, in opposite directions. No matter how good you are, and how good your excuse is to bring her home, you will not be able to avoid the fact that she's going in the opposite direction from her home to go to a man's house. In this case, don't make it a decision for her. Hold her hand and lead her to your car. Don't ask; assume she's getting in. Keep talking the whole time, telling her interesting stories so she's not left alone with her thoughts. I've literally gone on 20-minute monologues to entertain and distract a woman through especially awkward "unnatural" moments (e.g., waiting in line to check into a hotel).

3. Location, location, location. Attraction and Comfort can -- theoretically -- take place anywhere. Seduction can usually only take place in private. While it's theoretically possible to close the deal in a restaurant bathroom, it's not what most of us are going for here. So realize that you are going to have to get her to your house (or possibly her house, but yours is better). Plan for this. Don't spend all of your Comfort-building time on the other side of town. Make her comfortable with your living quarters before you get into Seduction. If she's learned that she's safe and can have fun at your house during Comfort without your trying to sleep with her, she's much more likely to follow you there when it's time for sex.

Got it? Ok, let's dive a bit deeper.

Make it Feel Natural

Have you been a passenger in a car, when you are enjoying the ride, talking to your friend who is driving, and then looked up and thought "wow, we're here already". This is because there were no 'state breaks'. Nothing that made you suddenly change your mental state. For example, the driver never stopped to ask for directions, felt nervous about arriving at your destination, or left you feeling bored and wondering where you were going. More than likely you were talking about enough interesting things and sharing each others' company enough that you stopped thinking about the fact that you were in a car going someplace. That's how to seduce a woman. In bed afterwards, try asking her "so . . . how did THIS happen?" If she says "well, I was horny, you were cute, you did this, I did that, and now here we are", you still have room to improve your game (though congratulations on the result anyway). If she says "I don't know . . . it just happened" you are on the road to becoming a Mystery Method man.

Distract her when it's Necessary to be "Unnatural"

Also known as managing state breaks. Some state breaks are inevitable. A few techniques are valuable to getting over them. One is to oversell whatever is on the other side. For example, if you are moving her from your living room couch to the bedroom, say something like "I have more pictures in here . . . you said you like Miro right? Oh my god, come check this out, you will DIE" while holding her hand and leading her into your bedroom. Much better than "I have a new lamp in my bedroom, want to see?"

Location, location, location

Let's assume you got her to your house. You're on home turf now. Everything is perfectly set up for seduction, right? It had better be. This is something TOTALLY under your control and there is NO excuse for not giving yourself every chance to succeed. It's like training for months for the big race and then wearing running shoes with broken laces. There is so much that is difficult or not under your control in this game that you can't afford to make mistakes on the stuff that is.
It should be clean. It doesn't have to be spotless, but it should be clean enough for a woman to be comfortable. The bathroom, especially, should be hygienic.

The living room (or wherever you plan to bring her) should be laid out so there is no obvious way for you both to sit down but side by side together on a couch. If you have chairs, pile stuff on them or get rid of them before she comes over so she can't sit there.

Have fun things to do if you still need to build comfort. Interactive fun is better than cool DVDs. Fun truth-or-dare games, an easy 3D jigsaw puzzle, whatever.

Some romance and implied sexuality never hurt. Have champagne, have strawberries, and have whipped cream around. Don't be cheesy with them, but realize you have them and can break them out when needed.

Alcohol can build comfort and also let a woman feel less responsible ("I can justify this to myself because I'm drunk even if I just had two drinks"). Have drinks that women like. Many women -- not all, of course -- prefer wine to beer, shooters to shots, vodka to rum, and sweet mixers to bitter ones. Learn how to make drinks women order when they are having fun. Cosmopolitans and Margaritas are good places to start.

Condoms are the ultimate state break. Keep them near the bed, where you can get to them easily and unobtrusively. You will inevitably lose out at least once with a woman who was quite happy to sleep with you until you introduced a state break and reached for the condoms. Live with this. Literally. Unsafe sex is never an option. Lose the girl, not your health.

Seduction is kind of a touchy subject for a lot of people. Especially when we talk about minimizing state breaks and not giving women a lot of time to sit and think about whether they really want to begin a sexual encounter. So I want to be very clear that we are talking about seduction, not manipulation. There's no need to manipulate a woman into sex. All we're trying to do is lessen her feelings of guilt and responsibility for the first time. Yes, we tell it like it is, not how society wants it to be. And yes, some women are very comfortable with their sexuality and choices and don't require men to lessen their feelings of guilt and responsibility. They are often great catches, but are not the majority.

One final thing to remember -- to you, No will always mean No. Even when it doesn't mean No to the woman who said it (it can mean no, but it can also mean not yet, not like that, not here, not until you've convinced me, or yes but don't make me feel easy), it will mean No to you. You can try again later or you can try something else, but you cannot ignore a "no". You have no way of knowing for sure what no means, and it's simply wrong to assume that you do. Successful men never have to ignore a "no" and successful men also know that there are many willing women ready to replace the one who might not be.

ADVANCED SECTION

Get ready for some hard core artillery: Last Minute Resistance (LMR)

LMR is the second of the Seduction phases (the first is arousal, the last is the sexual act itself). LMR occurs whenever a woman resists physical escalation in the Seduction phase.

It would be impossible to give a full treatment of LMR here. The entire 5th DVD of the Mystery Method DVD series is all about LMR. Literally an hour of material. So I'll just give you a couple of quick tips.
When she says "we shouldn't be doing this" agree with her. Respond with "Yes we shouldn't be doing this . . . and we definitely shouldn't be doing THIS . . . you are so bad" changes the frame from 1) her resisting you to 2) you two sharing a conspiracy over doing something you shouldn't be doing to 3) her seducing you by being bad. Again, remember that no means no.

You don't have to let a woman choose the level of physical intimacy you two will have. You can't insist on sex if she isn't willing, but you don't have to accept her chosen substitute. She may want to lie in bed with you and make out all night. You may want sex. Neither of you is obligated to give the other what they want. Explain to her, without ANY resentment, that lying in bed with her all night kissing will make you aroused, and that's painful for a man. Instead, turn on the lights, get out of bed, and do something boring with her like play checkers. Don't make it too fun, but appear COMPLETELY unphased by what happened and not at all put out. Make it entirely non-sexual. When she reinitiates touching and kissing, escalate it. If she says no, say "I understand" and turn all the lights back on, put the candles out, turn the music off, and play checkers again. Do this all without any trace of frustration.

Every guy knows this, but when you remove a woman's skirt or pants, take her underwear off at the same time in the same motion (i.e., grab both). If you leave her underwear on, taking it off later is a major state break.

Play the resister sometimes. Be the first one to say "we shouldn't be doing this" even while you escalate.

Take your time. Act like you've been here before. Don't rush to put it in her. Don't get nervous you're going to lose the girl. You're a Mystery Method man now. Even if you lose this girl, there will be plenty more. Have fun. Don't be too serious.

Seduction PUA Mystery Method

2006-02-08T11:57:00.000-08:00

OAP Issue #4

A3: Qualification is often called "Male to Female Interest". It is the inverse of A2: Attraction. By the time we've gotten to Qualification, we have already opened (A1) and made our target woman interested/attracted in us (A2). Now, and not before, we can express interest in her. As Mystery said, "the amateur will hit on a woman right away. We wait 8 minutes."

Expressing interest in a woman isn't as easy as it sounds. Some cardinal rules:
Stay away from expressing interest in her based on her looks. An attractive woman has heard it before. A less attractive woman won't believe you. Besides, "complimenting her looks" is the same boring tactic that every other guy uses. Find another reason that she has "won you over".

Use the qualification process as an opportunity to convey even more value and establish a genuine connection. Put yourself in a woman's shoes and ask yourself how you would choose between 2 guys. Guy A who tells you he likes you because you have a nice body or Guy B who tells you he likes you because you have great energy, you both love opera, and share the love of mountain biking? It works for guys too. Which woman would you choose? Woman A who says: "you're rich -- I love that" or Woman B:"you're fascinating -- I love that"?

Make her work for it. Seduction is a game and women want to play too. Don't take away her fun of seducing you. Also keep in mind that if she is able to win you over too quickly she will think that you don't have a lot of options, that you are not very choosy, or that she is of a higher quality than most women you meet. If she believes any of those things, you are no longer "the prize". You can get some women without being "the prize" but not the most desirable ones.

This all adds up to the fact that you have to make the woman attract you. Just as you spend A2 (Attract) attracting her, now you have to let her win you over.

That sounds easy, and the problem here probably isn't what you are expecting. The problem is that most women are terrible at attracting men using anything other than their looks. The more beautiful the woman (and therefore the more necessary it is to find something other than her looks to be interested in), the less she will be used to using anything else. This was one of our more frustrating discoveries over the past 13 years while developing this model.

The solution we've found is to "help" a woman attract you. We have a ton of tactics for this that we go over in our live programs, but one easy-to-use tactic to get you started is called "Bait-Hook-Reel-Release".

BAIT: Here we use universal, general questions or hoops to "bait" her into saying something that you interpret as being an attractive quality. It's like giving her a test where she'll win every time. For example, asking someone "what would you want to be if you could do anything you wanted?" is a good "bait" question, since everyone will have an answer to this and you can arbitrarily interpret her answer as being very positive.

HOOK: Let's say that she'd want to be an actress. That's the hook. You will treat her answer here as a reason why you are attracted to her.

REEL: Now we reel her in with something like "No way! You want to be an actress? That's awesome! I really respect people who have the balls to get on stage and perform for others. You know, your first impression kind of sucked; but now that I've gotten to know you, I think you're incredible."

RELEASE: After we reel her in, complimenting her, she will feel uncomfortable if you do not "release". This is the final part of the qualification. You do this by slightly disqualifying her. Continuing with our example, you might say something like "You are trouble for me, now that I know that about you. You're amazing. I can't even talk to you." And then start to turn or move away. Done correctly, and naturally (it will come off as fake the first few times you try it, don't worry, keep practicing), she will chase after you like you've never seen. In our workshops guys who have never gotten hit on by women in their lives get this glow in their eyes when, all of sudden, attractive women are pursuing them.

You may need to go through this process a couple of times with different qualities to fully accomplish A3: Qualification. Make her qualify herself based on more than one good quality that she has. Try not to make it blatantly obvious; weave the bait-hook-reel-release module into natural, normal, conversation. And don't forget the "release" step -- that's where a lot of guys make mistakes.

Once you've gone through the process, you've done the whole ATTRACTION module. Next, you'll be ready to move into Comfort. This is a lot easier, and we'll cover it in the next issue.

ADVANCED SECTION

I have to admit, writing a short "advanced section" for A3: Qualification is hard. This is the hardest phase of the whole game, and we spend by far the most time on this in our Venusian Arts Handbook, DVDs, telephone consultations, and live programs. So, I'll give a few nuggets of "advanced" advice here, but realize that there's lots more to it than this. Future issues of the OAP will cover this material in greater depth.
So far, we focused mostly on the verbal portion of qualification. There is also a crucial non-verbal component. Your body language must match your explicit language. When you bait, you are neutral, even slightly dismissive. When you hook and reel, you give her your full attention and SHOW how interested you are. When you release, do it solidly, so she FEELS the change in the attention and validation she is getting.
The "bait" doesn't have to be a question. It's more natural and fluid (though harder to pull off) to bait her with a statement that she responds to. For example, instead of "what would you like to be, if you could do anything?", try "I really love home-cooked meals. Especially Italian." If she's into you (from A2: Attraction), she can "hook" by talking about the great lasagna she makes.
Don't confuse the Qualification Phase with real qualification. You still haven't known her for long enough (remember, we're about 15 minutes into an interaction here) to actually make decisions about her yet. This is all a game so far. In Comfort is where you decide whether you like each other. Right now you're just flirting.

Mystery Erik M.

2006-02-08T11:56:00.000-08:00

Hey guys,

Francis here, with the third installment of the Mystery Method Online Apprenticeship Program (OAP). A couple of quick reminders, in case you're not sure why you're getting this:
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The Mystery Method is a way of meeting, attracting, and seducing beautiful women, described in the New York Times. If you don't know or remember who we are, check out www.mysterymethod.com.
The OAP is free. There's an unsubscribe link at the bottom of the page.
The OAP is capped. Once we reach our maximum signups, no one else will be able to join. Tell your friends (they can sign up at www.mysterymethod.com) but not your competition.

Also, to remind you: The Mystery Method is built on the M3 Model. The M3 model holds that to begin a sexual relationship with a woman, you have to first ATTRACT her (stage 1), then build COMFORT (stage 2), and then finally SEDUCE her (stage 3). That's why we call it the M3 model -- M for Mystery, 3 for the three stages within it. Now, each of these stages (Attract, Comfort, and Seduce) is further divided into three phases. For example, the ATTRACT phase is divided into Attract 1 (or A1): Opening; Attract 2 (or A2) Attraction; and Attract 3 (or A3): Qualification.

OAP #1 described the model in more detail. OAP #2 focused on A1: Opening. This OAP (#3) focuses on A2: Attraction. This is a massive subject, and we'll only really be able to touch on some of the key elements in this part of the OAP. Later, we will drill down into much more detail on this.

All right? Off we go!

OAP Issue #3

A2: Attraction is often called "Female to Male Interest". This the stage in which we make women interested in us. We create attraction. Read those last sentences again. We MAKE women interested in us. We CREATE attraction. This is a fundamental difference between the Mystery Method and other techniques. We were not, and are not, satisfied with JUST improving our attractiveness to women and recognizing when an individual woman is interested in us -- although this is important and we will discuss it below.

More importantly, one of our breakthroughs is in how we learned how to take a woman who starts off emotionally neutral towards us, and, relying on what we've learned of female behavior, flip the right emotional switches so that she becomes interested/attracted.

So how do you start A2? Simple. You jump straight into A2 as soon as you spot an opportunity from A1 (the opener). You don't even need to finish your opener in A1. For example, you might have approached a group and asked for an opinion on something (e.g., my friend over there, she wants to dye her hair blonde, what do you think?). There's no value to you in an extended conversation about your "friend's" hair. So as soon as you can, you'll want to say something like "hey, that reminds me . . ." and jump into a piece of A2 material. A2 material can be story, a specific conversational thread, a routine, or any other technique to build attraction. We discuss these more below.

Guys who are new to the Mystery Method often question how we can jump between unrelated pieces of material. If you approach a group of people asking about your friend's hair, and then start telling them about something that happened to you earlier that day, you may feel it strange or awkward. Trust us here (or, better still, go out and try). Most people -- especially women -- don't care if there is little obvious relationship between different conversational threads, as long as they are entertained. Think about a professional comedian. His or her jokes will be grouped into certain subjects, but these subjects are rarely related. So after a couple of jokes about, say, airlines, he or she will tell a couple about some movie star. They're not connected, but we don't notice or care. We're entertained and interested. If you feel shy doing this at first, you can slip in a meaningless connector like "that reminds me . . ." or "that's just like when . . .". However, in time, you'll realize that these are unnecessary.

To recap: the moment you change the subject from your opener to something new, you are in A2. Now your job is to create attraction from the woman in whom you are interested.

Two key building blocks for this are Demonstrations of Higher Value (DHVs) and Negs. A DHV is simply a demonstration that you are "better than the other guys". You have a higher value than they do. Most men instinctively understand this. That's why they try to work out, dress nicely, have money, achieve social status, etc. Some men also try to put other men down, so that they look better by comparison.

While this stuff helps (the improving yourself part -- putting down other guys has its place but it's for a very specific situation and we'll cover that later), it's ultimately a limited strategy. First, there will always be someone better looking, better dressed, richer, and more successful than you. Second, the most desirable women out there already have tons of guys in their lives who are sufficiently good looking, well-dressed, rich, and successful to get their interest. It will take more than that to win them over.

So this is where we DEMONSTRATE that we have a higher value. How do we do this?
Storytelling is a crucial tool in your arsenal. You MUST learn how to entertain and keep a group's interest in a story that you tell. Good storytelling is necessary for effective sub-communication (which we describe below), and is prized as a valuable social skill in itself. Plan and practice your stories.
Learn how to have a good hook line (e.g., "hey, did you see that fight outside?")
Learn how to leave open threads for your audience to ask about (e.g., "I was in Japan last week and all over Tokyo there are these machines that look like they sell soft drinks, but it's actually like 50 flavors of milk. And you don't put coins in, you use your cell phone to dial a drink") . . . the open thread here of course is "what were you doing in Japan?"
Learn how to seek input for your stories in a safe way that doesn't risk derailing where you're going with the story. For example, if you are telling a story about your nephew, you might start with "My 8-year old nephew Samuel did the funniest thing this morning. You like kids right? [Wait for "yes" answer and then continue] Well, anyway, so here's what happened . . ."
LIVE the story. This is most important principle of storytelling. If you are telling a story about a friend's party, you have to see, hear, feel, smell, taste everything that you're talking about. Express emotion. Be interested in what you're talking about, or there is no chance that anyone else will be. Take your new friends on a journey with you through the story.
Sub-communication is the crucial art of communicating something about yourself without appearing to be trying to communicate it. This doesn't have to be verbal. Not showing signs of interest in a beautiful woman (yet) will sub-communicate that you have and have had beautiful women in your life and that her beauty does not phase you. Or it can be verbal, often combined with storytelling. Here's an example of part of a longer story -- which I exaggerated for effect:
"My ex-girlfriend just picked me up at the airport tonight, and instead of her Audi she was driving a Maserati all of a sudden. It was too funny -- I tried to pretend that I didn't notice, and then like 100 yards outside the airport, we get pulled over. She didn't tell me until afterwards that they'd just given her the car for a photo shoot she was doing, so when the cop lights came on, I was totally wondering what was up. Finally, I whispered to her: "Karen, if in the last three days you'd become a drug baron and were on the FBI hit list, you'd tell me right?" Anyway, even when it turns out we just had a broken headlight, . . . Etc., etc., [continue on in any direction from here for a punch line]"
In just a few sentences as part of story, we learn all sorts of things about the narrator. Most of these things, if he said them directly, would come off as bragging and would LOWER his value. But instead, because he sub-communicated them instead of communicated them, they RAISE his value. Here's a quick list of some things that got communicated:

* He has an ex-girlfriend. He's not a total loser.
* He is close enough to his ex-girlfriend that she would pick him up at the airport.
* He has a lifestyle where he travels (he's coming from the airport).
* His ex-girlfriend has an Audi. This doesn't necessarily give her a ton of value, but it gives her a little bit. Which gives you a bit of value by implication.
* His ex-girlfriend does photo shoots. She must be attractive.
* His ex-girlfriend does the kind of photo shoots where they'd give her a Maserati for the day as part of it. She must be very attractive.

The key to sub-communication is to make it subtle. A useful pattern is to be talking about something OTHER than what you are trying to sub-communicate. For example, in the story above, the purpose of the sub-communication is to tell the group that you are attractive to desirable women. However, the story itself is about getting pulled over by the police.
Use common sense and err on the side of too much subtlety, not too little. Don't be the guy who says "So I was at my accountant's office today, trying to figure out how much taxes I owe on the $50 million I earned last year, when he spilled orange juice on the rug. Did you know orange juice stains don't come out?". Stay far, far away from this. People will recognize that a story about orange juice stains did not require the details you included about how much money you make.
Also be aware of WHAT you are sub-communicating. The following things, if sub-communicated effectively, tend to be attractive to most women:

* Pre-selection (other attractive women want you)
* Wealth
* Power
* Social status (especially being the leader of men)
* Some unpredictability
* In control, not controlling
* Intrigue/curiosity/unanswered questions about you
* Being the protector of your loved ones

Interactive DHVs
An interactive DHV is where you SHOW the group that you have higher value through something you are doing then and there. For example, making people laugh, telling them something interesting, teaching them something, being a good dancer, or doing anything that shows that you are a cool guy, is in itself a DHV.

Negs

The Neg is a very powerful tool. You simultaneously raise your social value relative to hers, while apparently disqualifying yourself as a potential suitor for her. For example, if you say to a woman "Nice nails; are they real?" she will be forced to admit to you that they're not (obviously, don't use this one on a woman with real nails). Done correctly, this will momentarily embarrass her but in a way that doesn't make you appear to be socially awkward. You really WERE trying to compliment her. It's HER fault that she has imperfections, and that you just happened to address one of them. Obviously, one neg by itself will not lead to a relationship, but a well-calibrated neg in the context of a solid application of the Mystery Method can get you there.

As I mentioned above, the neg also disqualifies you as a potential suitor. Guys that hit on her simply don't do this kind of thing. She'll know it and her friends will know it. The fact that you are clearly NOT hitting on her sub-communicates several things:
It makes you a challenge. When every other guy fawns over her, but you aren't won over yet, it's more fun for her to try to get your attention and "convert" you than it is to play a game that's already won.
It gives you higher value. If you're not hitting on her, you must have other women in your life. Perhaps these women are more attractive and desirable than her. This reflects very well on you.
It disarms her friends. If people in her group think you are obviously hitting on her, they may try to pull her away or make you look bad in front of her. If you are just a cool, fun guy who doesn't show any obvious interest in her, they'll be inclined to accept you, or even help HER seduce YOU.

Negs are powerful little weapons and need to be used appropriately. For example, a neg is generally unnecessary unless a woman perceives herself as being in the top third among women in terms of attractiveness. For an "average" woman, you probably don't need to lower her social value too much or raise yours too much -- if you follow all of the other techniques of the Mystery Method, you will come across with high value anyway. Nor do you necessarily need to disqualify yourself -- she doesn't get hit on that much, and she will most likely enjoy the attention and her friends will encourage her. Similarly, with attractive women, one or maybe two negs should suffice. Overdoing it can come off as hostile or arrogant, which are unattractive. Only on the rarest and most desirable women would you need to neg three or more times.

Negs must also be delivered appropriately. Drawing too much attention to them will make them awkward. Forcing her to react to them may make her feel defensive or shy. A neg is best delivered as a sidebar conversation to whatever conversation you are currently having, preferably with someone else. For example, if you approach two women, Amy and Brandi, and you are interested in Amy, you may be telling them both a story, and, while focusing slightly more of your attention on Brandi, suddenly tell Amy that she has something between her teeth. Without pausing to let a conversation about this develop (and derail your original conversation) you smoothly continue with what you were talking about before, leaving Amy feeling a little bit more insecure around you and wanting your approval, but without putting Amy on the spot and forcing her to say something negative (or anything at all, for that matter) back to you -- which would be unhelpful. Brandi, meanwhile, who is tired of standing around while men try to seduce her more attractive friend, will approve of you more for not being like everyone else.

Mystery has written a classic article about Negs. Check it out here.

Just like A1: Opening, with A2: Attract, it is just as important to know when to leave it. Again, the answer is "as soon as you can". A sneak preview of A3 is that you get the woman to hit on you. A3 is the mirror opposite of A2. In A2 we DHV. In A3 we get the girl to DHV. And eventually we let her win us over. Every once in a while, test to see if she's ready to do this. Ask her "so, what's your story?" or something similar and see if she starts trying to tell you good things about herself. If she does, you're in A3. And we will have a step-by-step guide to making it through A3 in the next issue of the OAP.

ADVANCED SECTION

There is a better way to track your progress through A2 than just simply seeing if she is ready to move into A3. You should look for, and be aware of, indicators of interest (IOIs). These are things that women do when they become interested in a man. Here's an incomplete list:
She reinitiates conversation when you stop talking
She giggles
She touches you
She plays with / tosses her hair
She asks you for your name or any other personal questions (e.g., age, where you live)
She disagrees with you but laughs when she does
She compliments you on anything
She asks if you have a girlfriend or mentions your girlfriend, whether or not you've said you have one
She calls you a player or a heartbreaker
She introduces you to her friends
Her friends go somewhere (to the bathroom, dance floor, wherever) and she stays talking to you

Once you have a couple IOIs, you are definitely ready to try to move to A3.

Another important element of A2 is timing. You can't attract and be dismissive of her forever. After a while, she might conclude that you are simply never going to be interested in her (in which case, continued interaction just makes her feel badly) or that you lack the self-confidence to be open to meeting new people. A2 should only take a few minutes -- and only in extreme cases go to 20-25 minutes. After 25 minutes, if you don't have any signs of interest, you likely never will.

Also, don't confuse interest/attraction with victory. Getting someone interested is very easy. Getting someone to act on this interest is much harder. Don't be satisfied with small wins.

Mystery Method Online stuff

2006-02-08T11:54:00.000-08:00

ey guys,

Francis here with the second installment of the Mystery Method Online Apprenticeship Program (OAP). A couple of quick reminders, in case you're not sure why you're getting this:
The Mystery Method is a way of meeting, attracting, and seducing beautiful women. Mystery has been written up in the New York Times as "the world's greatest pickup artist".
The OAP is free and will always be free. You can unsubscribe at any time by clicking on the unsubscribe link at the bottom of the page.
The OAP is capped. Once we reach our maximum signups, no one else will be able to join. We want to make this a private toolkit for our members, so only you and your friends have this, and not the competition.

In the first issue of the OAP, I gave an introduction to the Mystery Method and the M3 model. This model is at the core of most of what we do. To begin a sexual relationship with a women, you have to first ATTRACT her, then build COMFORT, and then finally SEDUCE her. Attract, Comfort, and Seduce are the three elements of the M3 model, and each of those is further divided into three phases. For example, the ATTRACT phase is divided into Attract 1 (or A1): Opening; Attract 2 (or A2) Attracting; and Attract 3 (or A3) Qualifying.

This issue of the OAP focuses on A1: Opening.

All right? Off we go!

OAP Issue #2

What is opening? Essentially, it's the first 3-90 seconds of an interaction with a woman, whereby you begin a conversation. With opening, there is good news and bad news. The bad news is that opening can be very scary. Men are biologically predisposed to be incredibly nervous when starting a conversation with a woman that we don't know. There are good evolutionary-biological reasons for this (in prehistoric times, approaching an unknown woman without permission or an introduction could lead to violent retaliation from her extended family), but that's probably not a lot of comfort. Nervous feelings that you get and the little voice that pops into your head creating excuses NOT to talk to that beautiful woman are NORMAL. You will need to learn to suppress them, but they are normal, and everyone -- even MM instructors -- have them.

Some more bad news. We not only need to open (suppressing our built-in emotions) but we have to open well. Opening poorly can doom the rest of your interaction with a woman (and any other women who see it) and make everything else you do a giant waste of time.

What's the good news? With practice, it's actually fairly easy. With some practice and some live examples and feedback from a trained instructor, anyone should be opening successfully, 99 times out of 100, after a couple weeks of work. Most experienced guys don't even think about opening anymore.

The following tips will get you started:

1. Have a canned opener ready -- This is NOT a night at the improv. Going "situational" (e.g., "it sure is crowded here" or "that's a nice purse") will rarely work. Think about it. If a 22 year old woman has been going out 1 night per week since she was 18, and gets approached 5 times in a night (and all of these numbers are major underestimations), she has been approached 1,000 times before you came along. Most of those 1,000 guys have tried something boring and situational. Use a canned opener -- something that has been repeatedly tested with women and is proven to work. If you don't have even one opener, I'd suggest Thundercat's tactical guide -- how to open. If you don't have this invaluable text, do yourself a favor and spend the $39.95 to get it and have your openers ready before you even go to the club, coffee shop, lounge, etc. He's another former Mystery Method student who knows his stuff.
2. 3-2-1-GO -- The three-second rule was created for a reason. When you see a girl you like, GO. Open her group within three seconds. The failure to do this will "stale you out". Women like confidence. They don't like to be stalked. They like spontaneity. Wandering around circling her, looking at her, trying to figure out what to do next will turn her off and creep her out. Get into the habit of seeing a set and GO in. You've already got your opener ready, right?
3. Approach at an angle -- Do not walk straight up to the group. Approach at angle, tilt your head over your shoulders, and say your piece. Done correctly (and you almost need to see it to do it properly), you raise your value significantly by demonstrating that you do not need their attention or approval. Hang out with someone who knows what they are doing to teach this. If you don't know anyone, check out the Mystery Method DVD set.
4. Smile on the approach -- Don't grin like a moron through the entire interaction, but smile as you walk to the set, and in the first few seconds of the opener. Smile with your eyes, not just your mouth. Smiles can be practiced in front of a mirror.
5. Be loud enough -- Everyone in the group should hear your opener. Your opener should be loud enough that it cuts across whatever conversations they are already having. Don't shout, but make it socially awkward for them not to pay attention to your opener. Practice opening -- loudly -- from your chest, not your throat. If you put your hand on your chest, you should be able to talk in two ways: one in which you can feel the vibrations on your hand, and one where you can't. Train yourself to speak in the way where you can feel the vibrations.
6. Don't lean in -- This is connected to being loud enough. You should project your voice enough that they can hear you from a normal standing position (or leaning slightly back).
7. Engage the group -- Do NOT go into a group and talk to the woman you want to meet (the target). Engage the whole group. Pay LESS attention to the target.
8. Neg the target -- If you've looked around the website, you should know what negs are by now (if not, find out here). The hotter the girl, the quicker you have to neg. I've seen Mystery open with a neg, as well as negging the target within the first 10 seconds of his opener.
9. False time constraint -- This is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. Somewhere in the first 30 seconds you should drop in a phrase like "I can stay a second; I have my friends here". This will stop the group from feeling uncomfortable ("how long is this guy going to stay here") while also setting yourself up as a bit of a challenge, since if a woman is interested in you, she knows she'll have to do some work to keep your attention. Make sure you phrase it in positive terms. For example, consider the difference in what is communicated by "I have to go; my friends are here" compared to "I will only stay a second, then I'll leave you guys alone".

There. Do those things, and you should be able to get through A1 (the opener) easily, in almost any social situation.

Another crucial element of A1 is ending it. The opener should be something short, to grab the group's attention and be emotionally neutral. As soon as you spot an opportunity, you should shift into A2 (attract). We'll cover A2 in the next issue of the OAP.

ADVANCED SECTION

Once sets are opening consistently, pay attention to a few more advanced factors:
Proximity / Approach Invitations: Very little of what women do in social gatherings is random. When a group of women walk around a room and then stop in a specific place, there's often a reason. And that reason is often a man or group of men displaying attractive qualities (we'll get into the "5 characteristics of the alpha male" in a future issue of the OAP). If a group of women come stand near you to stand around, talk, or have a drink, it's entirely possible that they WANT you to approach. Take advantage of these opportunities.
Blowing out other guys on the open: If you see another guy go into a group (and watch carefully -- make sure it's a "cold approach" and the guy didn't know the group from before that night), you can wait 30 seconds, walk in, whisper to the guy "you taking good care of my girl?" and then launch into your opener. 9 times out of 10 this will disorient the guy and disarm him, while also expressing dominant alpha qualities to the group (very attractive to most women).
Don't be afraid of mixed sets: Most men are afraid to approach groups with other men in them. This is a mistake. Mixed sets are actually easier, since you can direct your opening conversation at a guy or at the men in a group. If you are sufficiently interesting to the group, the women will want to also get your attention. By playfully ignoring and teasing your target, you drive her crazy and develop attraction for you (this is more A2, which will cover next time). Furthermore, don't restrict yourself to mixed sets where the ratio is in your favor, like 1 man : 2 women. Sets like 1 man : 1 woman can be incredibly productive. It will be obvious early on if they are together, and, if they are not, you will have one of the few guys with the guts to approach.

MysteryMethod

2006-02-08T11:52:00.000-08:00

OAP Issue 1

Hey guys,

Francis here with the first installment of the Mystery Method Online Apprenticeship Program (OAP). A couple of quick reminders, in case you're not sure why you're getting this:
The Mystery Method is a way of meeting, attracting, and seducing beautiful women from inside their peer groups. It's different from anything else out there because it was built from the ground up, by testing literally thousands of different techniques on beautiful women in a scientific way. Over the past twelve years, we've refined this to an art, to a point where Mystery himself has been written up in the New York Times as "the world's greatest pickup artist".
The OAP is free and will always be free. You can unsubscribe at any time by clicking on the unsubscribe link at the bottom of the page.
The OAP is capped. Once we reach our maximum signups, no one else will be able to join. We want to make this a private toolkit for our members, so only you and your friends have this, and not the competition.
For this reason, back issues are NOT available. Save this if you want to read it again.

In the introductory issue of the OAP, I talked about how this program would look. Essentially, the first few issues are to get everyone up to speed, so some of this might be basic to advanced guys. Once we've gotten everyone up to the same level, every Tuesday there will be a broadcast with the LATEST and DETAILED Mystery Method tactics and techniques.

All right? Off we go!

OAP Issue #1

The basic building block for everything we do is the M3 model. The model is a guide to what you should be doing at any given time with a woman, and when you should move on to the next phase. First, we'll lay out the basic framework with a couple of tips, and then over the next few issues, we'll go into details.

The three basic components are: ATTRACT, COMFORT, and SEDUCE. Each of these has three phases, which we have numbered 1 through 3. Here is the full list:

ATTRACT 1 (or A1): Opening
ATTRACT 2 (or A2): Female-to-male attract phase (often called "attracting")
ATTRACT 3 (or A3): Male-to-female attract phase (or "qualifying")
COMFORT 1 (or C1): Connection
COMFORT 2 (or C2): Trust
COMFORT 3 (or C3): Intimacy
SEDUCTION 1 (or S1): Arousal
SEDUCTION 2 (or S2): Last-minute Resistance
SEDUCTION 3 (or S3): Sex

We observe time and time again that successful courtships go through these nine phases in this order:
A1 (Opening): Obviously you have to initiate a conversation (or bait her into initiating one) before you can go anywhere. This phase usually last under a minute, but is excruciatingly important. We have a LOT to say about this, but for now, try a couple of things:
3 Second Rule: When you see someone you are interested in, go right in within 3 seconds. Otherwise you "stale out" in her eyes and make yourself nervous.
Convey minimal interest: Don't walk straight up to her. Come in at an angle between 45 and 90 degrees (don't approach from behind either). Initiate the conversation with dismissive body language (e.g., your head over your shoulder)
Smile on the approach
Have some "canned" openers ready. Make them short and accessible to a group of strangers and different from what they've heard before. "Did you see the fight outside?" is much better than some long story or "I like your hairstyle".
A1 ends once you've engaged a conversation. Once you've got that, MOVE ON to A2
A2 (Attract): Gaining attraction is easier than you think. Some ways to do this include negs, conveying alpha male characteristics (discuss later), and Demonstrating a Higher Value (DHV) than the thousands of other guys who have talked to her. Do NOT compliment her (that's for A3). We'll go into a lot of detail about this. A2 should take anywhere from 2-10 minutes, though with some women it can be up to 20. Once she is interested in you (touching you, asking you questions about yourself, etc.), then move onto A3.
A3 (Qualify): This phase is crucial. You need to give a woman a legitimate reason for why you are interested in her beyond her looks. Otherwise, what will happen is she will be interested in you (because of what you did in A2), and once you express interest in her, she'll often back off. She's interested in you because your A2 behavior suggested that you are the coolest guy ever. Girls know that they need to do some work to get guys like that (and they love doing the work . . . don't spoil the pick-up for her by making it too easy!). If you are "easy", she will know she has misjudged you and move on. Actually getting a woman to give you enough to have non-look based reasons to be interested in her can be hard. There will be a whole OAP component just on this. Anyway, for now, recognize that it needs to be done. Ask her what she has going for her. Give her compliments (not on her looks) if, but only if, she deserves them.
C1, C2, C3 (Comfort): Building comfort is the bulk of the pickup. You should be done with Attraction in half an hour. For most women (not party girls), the Comfort-phases will take 3 to 10 hours and may require separate meetings (sometimes thought of as "dates" -- although we don't date . . . we'll get into this later). These three phases are distinguished only by where they occur. C1 takes place in the same location where you attracted her (lounge, restaurant, party, bar, mall, etc.). C2 takes place in a comfort-building location (if you leave a lounge with her to go grab some food, for example, or arrange to meet up the next day on the beach). C3 takes place in your seduction location (e.g., your living room). In all of these phases, you are building comfort. Tone down the dismissive attitude. Don't try to go sexual yet. Make it fun. Make time pass.
S1, S2, S3 (Seduction): This is what you've been working towards. Make sure you don't start S1 (arousal) until you are ready to take it to S3 (sex). There is no point arousing a woman in a club if she's in a situation where you can't take her home. If you arouse a woman outside of the seduction location, you can make it hard for her to actually go to the seduction location with you. Most women don't want to think of themselves as sluts, so have evolved anti-slut defense (ASD). If you start touching a girl and turning her on sexually at a restaurant and then try to bring her home, she'll know that it's for sex and may feel like a slut for going with you and therefore decide not to. Believe me, when a woman goes home with you, she KNOWS that sex is a possibility, but do both of you a favor and let her feel seduced and swept away, not slutty. Don't start seducing her until you're somewhere where you can finish the job.

That covers the basics of how the M3 model works. There is some more information about it here. The next issue of the OAP will drill down into A1. See you then!

ADVANCED SECTION

For each of the first OAP issues, we'll have a paragraph or two on something a bit more advanced. For the M3 model, I want to introduce an extra phase: the pre-approach. Before you've even approached a woman, you already have a certain value (either high or low). Woman have an incredible ability to be consciously or subconsciously aware of the social dynamics of their surroundings. If you've been alone all night, she might not have been paying attention to you explicitly, but when you approach her, she'll just FEEL unattracted to you, without necessarily knowing why. Some ways to improve the Pre-Approach Phase:
Be laughing, smiling, and having a good time.
Be the leader of groups (be making the biggest gestures, get the attention focused on you, etc.).
Have women already around you (having a couple of even average-looking women around you -- even ones you met that night -- will do wonders for your ability to interest a beautiful one).
Don't move around too much. The party is where you are.
Don't look around too much. The party is where you are.
Don't be obviously picking up women. Having them around and interested is great. Obviously writing down phone numbers is not.
Being with people (even if you met them that night) also conveys high social value. Being the cool guy in a group of losers just makes you King of the Losers.

Have fun with this and check out what else we have on the website. You'll be hearing from us in a few days with the next addition!

Seduction of Sexy Women: How to Attract the Super Hot Women by Being Direct

2006-02-05T23:54:00.000-08:00

The extremely attractive women in this world are used to male attention. Period.

And should it surprise you?

Of course not. Well in this article, I am going to tell you the #1 way of attracting one of these high-calliber women.

First, I want to tell you what it is like to be one of these women. It's important to be able to see the world through an attractive woman's eyes.

Imagine just for a second...

You are walking from the subway to the store to return a pair of shoes you bought last week.

Not one minute off the subway, a man looks at you and smiles. He holds eye contact past the point of being comfortable, but says nothing, and keeps walking.

Now on the street, another guy looks at you and exclaims "Wow, you're hot." And continues to watch you as you walk past him.

What was he expecting? Did he thing you would turn around and chase him down simply because he expressed his interst? Jeez. This is getting old. You just want to return your shoes!

Once in the store, you are on your way to the counter when a very sophisticated older gentleman approaches you.

He seems very nice and holds up a conversation pretty well. He tells you your eyes are pretty, and he was intrigued by your smile.

This is somewhat refreshing, since he seems to pay attention to you.

But his compliments don't stop there. Now he is looking at your breasts. And he is telling you your shirt is also very pretty. Ok Ok... enough old man, I get it.

And now he is telling you he would like to buy you a diamond necklace to go with your shirt.

What? What did you do to win this man's attention? He must be very desperate. Does he do this to every girl?? Can you see how frustrating life can be for one of these women?

Every man is either too scared to make a real approach or so nice that it is sickening.

BE DIFFERENT.

That's right. The way to get the attention and build attraction with these women isn't through money, fame or good looks. You must be different and distinguish yourself from every other guy who has given her attention in the past 24 hours.

In a nutshell, the two most effective ways to distinguish yourself from the monotony and endless barrage of boring men lies in the following two behaviors.

1. Have the confidence to approach, hold eye contact and have a normal conversation with her.

Most men are intimidated by beautiful women. Don't be one of them.

2. Be more impressed by her personality than her physical beauty.

Take the time to learn what makes her special from every other woman around you. Learn about her intersts, passions and dreams. Then use those as starting points to demonstrate your interest in her.

Mastering those two things will put you light years ahead of most men out there, and put you in a position to find a really beautiful woman who appreciates being with you as well.

Vincent DiCarlo is a world famous dating coach. His experience comes from years of training pickup artists in underground seduction lairs across the East Coast. He currently runs theApproach: The Science of Social Chemistry for the Modern Gentleman, with his partner Sebastian Drake, and teaches men of all ages and backgrounds to meet, attract and seduce the most beautiful women of the world.
www.theapproach.net

How To Get A Girl To Like You

2006-02-04T22:46:00.000-08:00

We've all had that special woman in our lives. You know... the one with the sweet personality, the really nice hair and a perfect face. She dates the more "adept" guys... but how can you get her to like you?

While men are primarily attracted to women based on their looks, a woman finds a man attractive because of his personality. A ideal man is an alpha male who's confident in himself and not afraid to take the lead and get what he wants out of life.

Ironically, what this means then is that the best way for a girl to like you is when she feels like she has EARNED you.

That's because to get a girl to like you, you should come from a mindset of high value. Never come from a position of neediness.

So the best attitudes to have towards any one particular woman are:

1. Nonchalance.

2. Non-attachment to whether she likes you or not. (By that I mean, if she likes you that's awesome, but if not, there are tons of other chicks out there who are equally as great as she is.)

The bottom line is that a woman should never be a challenge for you. Instead you should be a challenge for her.

In addition to placing a high value on yourself, you can also eliminate neediness by building up your social network. Make friends with as many women as you can. (Women are easy to make friends with.)

Also date as many women as you can... don't restrict yourself only to dating "that one special girl."

You see, the last thing you ever want to have going through your mind when you're around that special woman is, "God, I MUST have this girl! She's irreplaceable!" Having an abundance of women in your life will solve that problem.

Also, whenever a woman sees that other chicks are attracted to a guy, she too feels attraction. Psychologically, this is known as the "social proof" phenomenon... and it's much more powerful in women than men.

Ever noticed how your female friends drool over the guy at the corner of the bar who's got four babes at his table? That's social proof in action.

By the way, it's fine to think a girl is beautiful and to feel something strong for her.

Here's the key though... you must always remind yourself that there are LOTS of other women out there who are just as wonderful as that girl you really like.

If you start thinking that any girl is one of a kind, then that gives her power over you, and, ironically, makes her lose attraction to you.

So, you're free to think that a woman's amazing. Just remember that lots of other girls are amazing too. That way you won't become needy.

So remember, place a high value on yourself, make her earn your attention, and hang out with as many women as possible... those are the three secrets for how to get a girl to like you.

John Alexander is author of How to Become an Alpha Male, a seduction success system for men. Discover the excitement and pleasure of having gorgeous, horny women automatically drawn to you like a magnet.

Direct Game Post on Rapport

2006-02-03T18:28:00.000-08:00

This post is on

The Direct Method Forum

From Broiled Brain

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So most of the time, people only get into light rapport because they keep describing facts, things that have an existence in the material world. "Oh, I went shopping this morning", "I just bought a new car!", "Did you see that new TV show yesterday?" etc. If you talk like this all the time it can get boring quickly, also you have to keep looking for new facts all the time, and you need to find facts that interest whoever it is you are talking to.

To go a little deeper, you can start talking about how you FEEL about a particular fact. "Oh, I went shopping this morning, I really love looking at the clothes, so many different colors!", "I just bought a new car! Driving it made me realize how important it is to work hard in my job so that I can pay it off.", "Did you see that new TV show yesterday? I laughed so hard at the little girl with the penguin on her head." As you can see, you always have some kind of feeling about anything, so you can always do this with any fact that you start off with. Keep in mind that people tend to think about feeling whatever emotion you are describing, so you should prefer describing positive emotions, like happiness, or arousal, etc.

The next level is values. WHY do you feel whatever it is that you feel? "Oh, I went shopping this morning, I really love looking at the clothes, so many different colors! It's amazing to me how many different perspectives there are in the world. I would never have imagined some of the shapes that I saw, that's why I love new experiences, because you always learn something new, sometimes things that you never imagined ever existed before, for example, I remember the first time I fell in love, it was soo ..." and on and on. I leave the other two as exercises for you guys. Post your answers in the responses. By the time you get to the values level, this is deep stuff. People brush down to the feelings level every now and then, it is rare for anyone to ever get down to the values level. If you are able to take her down here and keep her here for a while, she will never forget you.

One of the reasons why she won't forget you is that she probably doesn't quite know what her values are. That's normal, almost no one does. Women in general however tend to be particularly confused. This is because the society matrix has imposed many contradictory values upon her, so she doesn't know which values are important or whether she should be following them at all.

In order to get to the values level however, you need to know your own values. This is something that cannot be taught. You have to find them for yourself. Your values are uniquely YOURS, they can and should be at least a little different from others. Your choice of values will determine how effective you are at living life. For example, if you value focusing on your task until you get it done, you will probably do well. If you value never doing anything you might screw up in, you probably won't. She wants to find a source of certainty in her life. If you have a good set of values and you believe in them strongly, and you can project that faith into her, if you get her to believe in you, she will follow you. No amount of money, no amount of sex appeal, will turn her away from you.

Fidentia Splits up

2006-01-17T11:38:00.000-08:00

It looks like Robert Torrey and Ranko Magami have split off from Fidentia. Cameron Teone and Seth seem to not being doing much.

Robert and Ranko are now at Attract and Date

Direct Game and the Direct Method Message Board

2006-01-17T11:36:00.000-08:00

Ranko and Robert are taking things in a different direction. There is a new message board they have created. It appears to be about direct game and their direct method.

www.direct-method.com

Badboylifestyle review

2005-12-30T19:57:00.000-08:00

hmmm interesting review from BB lifestyle workshop but intersting enough Antonios Nikulainen ( 19yo economy student from Finland)
Yo guys, i'm Antonios and I took the workshop last week. I live in the cold Finland, so I took a plane and went to Munich to have a crazy time with Badboy, Magnum and all the students.

Before I tell you what happened, I'll explain some things about me. I have a girlfriend now for 1 year and we are very hapy together, but I also wanted to start living a crazy playboy life unplugged from the matrix. I like clubbing a lot (about two times per week), and doing different sports.

Before workshop:
I joined the community exactly 1 year ago. My confidence level with chiks was pretty low at the begginning but it got better with my girlfriends. I started with various seduction systems and got no success at all with that. This january I told myself that I will improve my game in the streets so I made the very first street approaches in street using direct style. Actually I started using direct EVERYWHERE, in clubs etc. Unfortunately my direct worked like shit, only got a couple of numbers.

My sticking points were the fear of approaching (I thought too much what others were thinking about me), the lack of knowing what to say and the lack of knowing how to lead from one step to the other to fuck a girl.

I got so frustrated because I didnt know how to pick-up the hottest chiks, so I decided to fly to Munich for the next Badboy workshop. :-D

Workshop
Day 1:

I met Badboy, Magnum and the students in a cool coffee shop, where we got to know each other. Badboy seemed to be a very cool, funny and trustworthy guy. Before I saw him I waited him to be some big guy with big muscles but he wasn't. He was a down-to-earth guy who looked like a rockstar with his attitude. He assured to me that my sticking points would be fixed, and that it was "no problem". Magnum is also a very cool and funny guy. Immediately when you see him you think "That guy is a player", because of his cool dressing style. The other students, Nikolas, Olaf, Sven, Gärd, the guy with the glasses and the australian guy were also very cool.

So this day BB taught us many things about the matrix and bodylanguage. The thing that was very impressive was, that he made talking monsters from all of us, so we could tell stories and bullshit to women for hours.

I felt very anxious at first when we left the seminar room, and started walking in the streets to find women. Badboy taught us how to relax with our bodylanguage, but implementing his teaching was hard at start. We found some outter restaurant tables and BB immediately ordered us to approach sets. I winged a lot with Sven and and some others and it was very fun. I opened table sets all the time and chatted to some chiks pretty long, like 15 minutes and the chicks were happy to see me.

Badboy gave us some crazy missions like going to a girl who is speaking on the phone, taking the phone and shutting it down. I didn't manage to shut the chick's phone but I was very persistent talking to her, so we chatted for five minutes while she was still on the line with someone in her phone. Very Happy Then the chick's boyfriend came, and Magnum came also to take a pic of us, so I grabbed the girl and the boy, and Magnum took a pic of us and showed it to the boyfriend. The funny thing was that the pic had only me and the chick showing us like a nice couple! :-)

My confidence level rised very well and I felt very relaxed after a while. Magnum showed me also a great handwriting trick and I enjoyed using it on sets. For example i opened a 4set(3girls 1 boy) in Burger King by sitting on a table, then i started talking to the chick who had a boyfriend, then the waitress comes and tells me to sit on a chair but high fives me, then the boyfriend leaves to the toilet, and I start doing hand writing to the chick and doing kino. We had a very fun time with the students.

Later on we went to a club named Soul City, where we continued with more approaching. In Finland, when I was hustlin' in the clubs I always drinked alcohol to feel relaxed, but this day I had so much adrenalin that I didnt want any alcohol. I felt drunk already. The mission of the day was to chat with girls for some minutes which was very easy. I started leading some girls and having fun with them. I even took phone number from one.

Then I chilled out a little with Badboy and other students, until some of our crew left the club. I stayed in the club and watched Olof using some cocky lines and then I started also using lines like "Hi! I'd like to fuck you if you pay me!" :-) My chicks were smiling but wanted to go away after this line because I didnt have the right bodylanguage. I stayed for a while and left with the club to go sleeping at 2.00.

Day 2
When I woke up next day I had a very stressed feeling because I knew that coffee table approaches were waiting me. I saw BB in a coffee shop and he immediately ordered me to some tables. I got used to approaching but my anxiety didn't go away. Then we moved to the seminar VIP room and started listening to BB. We learned a lot about rapport and other stuff through good excercises.

This day was all about street sarging in malls and coffee shops. We were practising gaining rapport with chicks. So I made a lot of approaches with lines like "Hey! do you like fruitcakes? I like specially those with strawberries and blabla" or "Hey, what's the difference with dildos and vibrators?" My aproaching fear was starting to disappear because BB made me approach a LOT.

Some sets went fine and some sets were negative to me but i loved it, because i didnt give a fuck about what anybody thought of me. I did some crazy sets like going to a five-set where there was two mothers and three girls. I started bullshitting to them something that the metro i came with crashed and blabla and the chick loved it, even though the mothers very angry:D

It's funny that I couldn't detect indication of interest, I talked to people and I thought they were negative towards me but BB told me that they loved me.

I had told bb and magnum also that I like milfs, so they ordered me to approach some 40 year old mothers, which were not my idea of good milfs
Angry but I approahed them anyway.

This day I felt very stressed also because I didn't get so good rapport with chicks, but I have to include that I used the english language and not my native finnish language. At 24.00 o'clock we started to be pretty tired so we left. Some of the students went to a club, BB and Magnum went to their hotels I guess, and I left with a friend of mine to relax in a pub.

Day 3

This morning I felt very anxious again. I knew that I will be doing more coffee table approaching! so before meeting with bb and the crew, I hang out with a friend of mine in the streets and i stoped a set with "I like you and I want to FUCK you". The chicks started laughing and they were very happy! ;-D

Then I went inside the coffee shop were I met BB again and he sent me immediately to some tables. I did some crazy stuff there, like I went to a girl with "You are mine!" opener and she wanted me to leave, but I persisted a while, tried to bullshit with her but she was insisting that I fuck off, so after a while I went back to BB and he shouts to me to go back! Then I go back and start to calm the chick down but she starts getting angry and starts shouting and everybody near us start to watch us. She yells to me "Go away!!" and i was there trying to bullshit something like "I like the weather here in Germany blablabla..." then I decide to leave because the chick was so angry. I come to badboy and he asks "Why are you back ? Go Back!" and he tells me to open the chick again with "Guess who's back, back again.." like in the Eminem song. So then I start feeling very unplugged from the matrix and i go back and the chick gets so angry that is was fun watching it. Very Happy All and all i bullshitted a few seconds more with her and left her.

That day I did very smooth approaches in the coffee shop. I got TWO number closes in a row from two sets, with direct style, grabbing my chair going to the table and slamming the chair down so I get every fucking attention from the chikcs, and then i say to the one chick I wanted "YOU are the CHOSEN one!"

This day I felt very relaxed and happy. I loved the fact that the anxieties of yesterday had gone away. I had fun listening to BB talking about lifestyle and different stories I had read also in this forum.

After the seminar we went to the biggest club in Munich, the 4004, which was HUUUUGE. I had never seen anything that big. There we very much fun with the crew. I approached direct with I like you and I want to get to know you, and it rocked. Also I did some approaches to chicks on sofas and me lying on the floor just like Cortez in his beach video. The chicks had to lean in to listen to me and i did some ScoobyDoo handwriting (credit goes to Magnum Cheers) to one of them and the chicks were super happy with lots of indication of interest.
I LOVED this club, it was amazing, 1000000000s of HBs walking and waiting to be PICKED-UP by playboys. I approached A LOT of women.

I felt like an excuzer not stopping every girl i saw (which was impossible too) so I went to Magnum and told him to kick the excuzer out of me. What he did was he just kicked me in the ass so then I went to Badboy and he gave me some funny excuzer missions.
One funny thing that happened was, there was a model completely naked, except she had her strings on. She was sitting on a stage where everybody could see her, and some people were make uping her for a show or something. Then BB told me to aproach her and I went on the stage and turned her around and said "i like you and i want to get to know you" :-D
Well she was a little bit shocked and didn't understand anything so I jumped out of the stage, but then I saw a Magnum with his camera and told him to take a picture, so I went back on the stage and did the same line again to the chick and Magnum took a nice picture showing me approaching a chick with nice naked boobs.

One problem I had was that I couldnt get rapport with all of the chicks. Many didn't understand English but that was ok. I will have better success in my own country.

Badboy and Magnum left at 1:00 and I didn't get to say hi to them. Then I stayed to chill out with the rest of the students and friends.

Nikolas came to me and told me that this was the best day of his life! A bar tender had approached him and someone from an insurance company offered him a job clap! He was already a real playoby! Also I saw Olof handling very well a hot chick. Olof is very funny, he looks like a mafia guy. Before the ws, this guy's brains were so matrix induced that I couldnt believe it. I had a lot of fun seeing badboy changing him to a total playboy monster. Ave

All and all it was a very crazy and funny workshop, and I enjoyed it very much!
Now I've lived 4 days after the workshop and what can I say? The first time I was at a mall I made 3 approaches, one to HB10 and chatted to her for a while. Yesterday I was swimming and I spot this hot swimming coach, I wait till she ends her work, I jump from the pool and go directly with "I like you and I want to get to know you".

What else have I done?
I've started designing my life the way that I can have super much fun and breaking the monotony of my life before the ws. Also I told yesterday to my girlfriend on the phone that I'm a playboy and I will also fuck other chiks and she says to me "Let's go go out and meet women a chick together for a threesome oneday". :-D

My direct works now. All I have to do is to improve my rapport and bullshitting skills in my own language. I'm training it by doing the excericeses from the ws with my friends. Nowadays I feel more confident also.

When I'm out I have no fear of approaching. No excuses. I can get some excuses when I'm in a silent class room packed with a lot of people but nothing special.

So all the thanks go to BB crew. Ave

Carpe fucking diem

There is something really interesting Olaf went to a Attract and date workshop after this and from taking a mysterymethod , than a badboylifestyle than an Attract and Date workshop he preferred Attract and Date.

http://www.fidentia.org/testimonials/fidenita_review_olaf.htm

Sven is in Attract and Date's forum too.

www.attractanddate.com

says all that is needed.

Also what's with this I like you and I want to fuck you Bullshit?

RUMOR on street was BB got a student almost knocked out due to using that line. Sorry that's not direct.

What is Your Seduction Style?

2005-12-28T18:10:00.000-08:00

What Is Your Seduction Style?

My Seduction Style from this quiz: Siren / Rake

You possess an unbridled sensuality that appeals to many.

The minute you meet anyone, you can make the crave you almost immediately.

You give others the chance to lose control with you... spiraling into carnal bliss.

A dangerous lover, you both fascinate and scare those you attract.

What Is Your Seduction Style?

Hypnosis Secrets

2005-12-27T20:01:00.000-08:00

There are easier ways.

“The Secrets of Covert Hypnosis”

It’s all how you say things… how you use language patterns – how you use words that hypnotize people while it sounds like innocent everyday conversation.

In short, it's about how you can side-step the English language and practically make anyone unconsciously obey your commands!

Look, that’s what covert hypnosis, for the most part, is all about! By-passing the critical thinking, and psychologically commanding people to act the way you want them to!

And that's just the start!

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While you talk, they're simply smiling along nodding their head thinking that you just have friendly things to say when actually - you're just overloading their conscious mind and slipping commands for their unconscious mind to obey!

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There are easier ways.

Derek Vitalio seduction article

2005-12-23T17:13:00.000-08:00

Approaching women is difficult. Most guys I know would almost rather run naked in front of a stadium full of Promise Keepers than approach a beautiful woman cold and start a conversation with her. If you have trouble walking up to women - or have any kind of hesitation at all - it will help you to master the secret power of dissociation.

Normally, when you get that feeling of fear and hesitation, emotionally detaching yourself from the moment is all but impossible no matter how hard you try. That's because using sheer willpower to consciously banish your fear and hesitation doesn't work. Your willpower is no match for your unconscious mind's program of fear and hesitation - fear and hesitation that you've probably practiced for years.

Sheer willpower won't work. Instead, you can "trick" your unconscious mind into helping you and "install" better programming of relaxed, playful confidence.

The next time you find yourself hesitating to approach a beautiful woman that knocks your socks off, STOP. Take a breath and allow a wave of relaxation to move through your body. Next, imagine stepping outside of your own body and looking at the situation from a third-person perspective. Imagine seeing yourself standing there, her, and the rest of the environment around you.

From this third-person perspective you'll find yourself relaxed and objective. And you won't feel as if you're doing an approach anymore. Rather, you'll have the unusual but calming feeling that you're just WATCHING an approach, like watching a movie. You've dissociated yourself from all the unhelpful feelings and thoughts.

Now imagine watching yourself walking up to the beautiful woman. Watch yourself as someone who is friendly, playful, relaxed, and curious about her and say to her, "Excuse me... I just noticed something interesting about you..." Imagine her smiling back and responding to whatever you say with curiosity.

When you dissociate and watch the events from a third-person perspective like this, you're hypnotically practicing success. You're programming your unconscious mind with new experiences and beliefs of relaxed confidence.

If she walks away before you have a chance to actually approach, don't worry about it. Do NOT put extra pressure on yourself. Relax, dissociate, and relax. This is called practicing. There will always be more women.

With enough practice through dissociation, your willpower will naturally become congruent your new programming and you'll no longer have to do the exercise. You'll simply be able to approach women easily and at will.

By: Derek Vitalio

Remove fear to approach women

2005-12-23T15:51:00.000-08:00

Killing Approach Anxiety from Mystery's Lounge

Some words of wisdom on Destroying Approach Anxiety from Captain Jack on Mystery's Lounge. My replies are in blue. [WARNING: Lots of jargon ahead. Read at your own risk.]

Hey guys,

I've spent the past few weeks destroying my approach anxiety. It is ENTIRELY gone now. In fact, last night and tonight it felt WEIRD because I kept waiting for it to come up and it never did....

Wanna know how I did it?

Just send your credit card # to -- ha ha- just fuckin' with you...

Here's how:
1. Listening to Shark's CDs and gaining his mindset really helped
2. Reading Mystery's eBook
3. Going out with other PUA's and "helping" each other into set - there's just something about seeing other PUA's gaming chicks and NOT getting killed, ridiculed, etc that seems to help me.

Shark's CDs helped a lot with the mindset and theory.

Definitely, it's always a joy to find someone near your skill level that can not only open and blow up sets with you, but a cool guy that you'd have no problems chilling with. It's a better, friendlier vibe as well as letting you get more out of infield experience.

But, here are a few thoughts that REALLY helped me destroy the approach anxiety...

From Mystery's eBook:
"A venusian artist goes into the field night after nigth primarily to improve his calibration and internalize his skill-set. He's not trying to get this one girl or to 'get laid tonight.' Rather, he's practicing with the long-term goal of having a powerful social skill-set...It's like playing a video game: if your man dies, just hit the button and play again." p. 39

"Remember, you aren't just gaming the set, but the entire room." p. 128

Then, he discusses the attraction switches. I've only read about the pre-selection and attraction switches so far. So, the other night I went out with KinoMaster and Blincubus and we OWNED the bar by opening early and parading chicks around the bar...

We were all either in-set or together having a blast and IGNORING the rest of the room. One dude bought me a shot. A waitress that never acknowledge my existence opened me after I flashed the "Clown Grin" at a set.

In short, we truly owned the bar.

So, here's what I do now...
1) Open a set right after I get a diet coke (or bacardi O and red bull)...
"oh, but they're 7s!"
"But, I'm not warmed up!"
"But, they didn't give me an AI!"
"But, but, but..."
- Doesn't matter! - open them get your mouth moving, toss out a few jokes get them laughing. It's ok to run a few SHORT SETS first. Even talk to a few guys if you have to...

2) Open another set adjacent to them - lock-in so you make it look to the entire room like YOU are being gamed. If things are going well then I say, "Hey, I'm going to get a drink. Come with me!" to my Target. Then, I promenade her THE LONG WAY across the bar to make sure as many chicks see us as possible.

Here's something interesting I've noticed. Couples sit down and usually go to the bar separately.

If you are promenading or holding hands with a girl then most of the chicks KNOW you have done a good job attracting her. Especially if she was previously laughing and your were locked in during the set.

* Pre-selection switch THROWN ** Social Proof switch THROWN *

Then, I isolate and try to build comfort. If she begins to feel the least bit fidgety or hesitant, I'll say, "Let's get back to our friends!" and take her back, chat with them a few more minutes and then go back to my friends.

She'll CONTINUE giving you AI's from across the room which OTHER chicks will notice.

* The Leader of Men Switch *
I learned this from AsianPlayboy - a few times when I've been in set and he's been moving a girl to isolate, he'll stop by on his way to isolate and say, "Hey man, you cool? You need a drink?"

This is fucking awesome!
It does 2 things:
1) To HIS Target it looks like he is the Leader and he's taking care of his bros, checking up on me, etc.
2) To MY Target it looks like my friends are making sure I'm good and buying me drinks

* Leader of Men Switch THROWN in Two Sets Simultaneously *

- How fucking cool is that?

I did this with KinoMaster the other night and it went exactly as planned.

Heh, thanks man. I was consciously doing it as social proof, but also to make sure all my boys are taken care of. Number 1 to me out in the field is that YOU HAVE FUN. That's the only way you can last in this business. ENJOY going out, socializing, and chilling with your friends.

It makes life worth living.

The thing that made the most different was convincing myself that I'm honing my skill set for those rare opportunities when i meet a girl that i really want to attract. So, mentally none of this shit matters. That frees me to go in and say, "hmm.... I wonder if I can get her to BEG me to take her number??? Let's try it!"

I'm also thinking, "Ok, I'm going to make it easy on myself by throwing as many switches as possible with the chicks in the bar BEFORE i even open them."

Think about it. Why make it hard on your self? Before you go and talk to that girl that really catches your eye, let her see you in set with some cute girls. Let her see you locked in. Let her see the chick nearly ATTACK you for the kiss close. Or, even just tossing IOI's at you like confetti at a parade. GIRLS DO NOTICE THAT - they have a radar for that and they can see it from all the way across the club.

I #closed the 2nd hottest girl in the bar that Fri. night and she had to TELL me to take her number 3 times. She tried to Day2 me by saying she had to take me to try sushi, etc. etc. I FINALLY took her number on her 3rd try AFTER we got tongue down.

KinoMaster walked by and saw her practically PINNING me to the bar while she SHOVED her tongue down my throat. He said EVERY table on that side of the bar looked over at us.

Porn Star body and she was peacocking too!!!! SHE OPENED ME because she noticed me in set, my boys in set and us having a fucking awesome time and I was peacocking which gave her the reasonable opportunity to open me by asking me if she could wear my hat.

One night when I went out with AsianPlayboy he showed me how to PROPERLY use my hat to get a lot of mileage out of it when girls open me on it. So, I looked at her and said, "Tell me a joke first." *BIG SMILE* and she was caught off guard.

I negged her by looking at her friend and said, "You can dress her up, but you can't take her anywhere." The obstacle laughed at that.

Again, thanks for the props man! Always capitalize on any AI opportunity. Whether it's eye contact or if she straight up apporached you, always be prepared to REEL HER IN.

The hottest girl in the bar was a Blonde chikc in a red top. My plan was to pull my girl over and forward merge into her set but alas she left before I could do that because all the guys were too scared to open her and her friend and they got bored and went home. Sigh...CaptainJack can only do so much...

* Re-opening previously gamed sets *

I just roll up and say, "You guys having a good time?"

And then I start vibing again. Easy, easy.

Hope this helps. This is truly fun, isn't it? I'm having a blast! If you're not then get the eBook, get the DVDs - you SHOULD be having this much fun. It's soooo easy when you just follow the method.

-- CaptainJack

P.S. Got another number close when AsianPlayboy, Blincubus and I went out. I did a photo routine but she balked on the kiss, "I hardly know you!" *smiling* so I said, "yeah, just the cheek

The first signal

2005-12-21T17:15:00.000-08:00

Friday I went to an apartment party in NYC with a friend who works with me. At the party I met this girl who I was interested in. From her body language I could tell she was interested in me also, giving flirt signals and all. In any event as the party wound down I noticed that she had a boyfriend at the party.

We basically separated ourselves from everyone else and talk for 3 hours. We were giving each other flirt signal, touching, she sat on my lap etc. At around 3 am the friend I had come with had to meet a buddy at a bar around the corner. I asked for her number which she gave to me and she gave me a peck on the cheek.

So next day I decide to give her a call to invite her out as a few of my friends were meeting at the China Club. It was about 2:30 in the afternoon. I got her roomate. I said hi and she said she was in the shower. I left my number and have heard nothing since.

So my main questions are, When should I call her again and under what guise? Did I call her too quickly? Is there no shot because of her boyfriend? Did I misinterpret her flirt signal?

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A flirt signal...hmm...her friend is probably 80% for sure cock blocking you, and telling her not to go out with you. That's why it's very important to score FAST, that night if possible to eliminate any cock-blocks when you see aflirt signal. If you were touching and flirting you should have invited her to your house to see your fish or music collection long before 3 AM.

As for calling her back too quickly, I'd say yes that was somewhat quick. If you had excellent rapport the night before, as you say you did, it was probably *okay* but you should have waited a little longer. You can call her again ONE more time but that's it.

You DEFINITELY have a shot at her, even though she has a boyfriend. That doesn't mean anything. She's obviously looking for someone else.

Women are creatures of the moment. They tend to respond with a flirt signal or some other sexual reaction to what's right in front of them. She may have had a great time with you, but not her consciousness is filled with London. Part of her may have wanted to sleep with you that night, but now she's thinking about other things. Many women are like that.

ThundercatseductionLair

2005-12-20T16:54:00.000-08:00

A post on thundercatseductionlair.com

If you can't sleep with them at least make friends with them.
In addition to making friends with 5 guys who are good at meeting women, you want to make friends with at least 3 very attractive women. Attractive, as in, attractive to YOU!
http://www.thundercatseductionlair.com/2004/05/dyd_mastery_rec_1.html
One of the major concepts David D introduced, and this was something I’ve been hearing from Swinggcat for the past year, was that in addition to making friends with 5 guys who are good at meeting women, you want to make friends with at least 3 very attractive women. Attractive, as in, attractive to YOU! David D talked about how having attractive female friends can help out a guy on so many levels, and he went on to talk about how people make other people their friends (for the TRUE losers out there who really have NOBODY in their life).
written by
Thundercat

Seduction Game

2005-12-19T19:33:00.000-08:00

http://www.easy2pull.com/

Seduction Game

enjoy

Neil Strauss marketing Material for his book.

Seduction Lingo

2005-12-18T19:28:00.000-08:00

3s rule
The Three Second Rule. Approaching a traget within 3 seconds of seeing her or of making eye contact.
Mystery

AFC
Average Frustrated Chump
Ross Jeffries

AI
Approach Invitation

AI: Anti-AI
Either a conscious or unconscious action by a woman to indicate that she wants you to STAY AWAY.

AMOG
Alpha Male Other Guy

Anchor
Associating an emotional state or thought in a person's mind with one of the senses, such as with a touch or sound, or visual movement. Visually would be called a Spacial Anchor. Once an Anchor has been set it can be moved on a sliding scale to either amp-up or turn-down the state, by combing pattern language with changes to the anchor. This is a standard NLP term.
Richard Bandler and John Grinder

ASD
Anti-Slut Defense

ASF
alt.seduction.fast, also known as uASF for Unmoderated ASF.

BAFC
Below Average Frustrated Chump

BF
Boyfriend

Bitch Shield
Contrary to how it sounds, this is not used in a derogatory manner. This is a barrier that women put up to prevent guys from hitting on her, and is usually implemented in higher intensity situations such as clubs.

C&F (also CF, C/F)
Cocky and Funny
David DeAngelo

CB
Cockblock

Close
Could mean anything from getting a phone number to getting a lay. Therefore there are several derivatives; @close, #close, *close, !close, f close.

Close: !close
F*ck Close

Close: #close
Number Close

Close: *close
Kiss Close

Close: @close
Email Close

DDB
Doggy Dinner Bowl - The look you get from a woman that is either in trance or just in sexual state.
Ross Jeffries

EC
Eye Contact

EV
Eliciting Values, although a standard NLP term, used as a powerful part of Speed Seduction.
Richard Bandler and John Grinder

FB
F*ck Buddy

FMAC
Find Meet Attract Close - Earlier Mystery Model
Mystery

FR
Field Report

FU
Fuck Up Report

FUG
Fucking Ugly Girl

GF
Girlfriend

GM
Grand Master or Gunwitch Method

GWM
Gunwitch Method

HB
Hot Babe

HSE
High Self Esteem

IOI
Indicator Of Interest

Kino
Kinesthetic - The use of physical touching. The term comes from NLP, and is a core part of Speed Seduction.

LDR
Long Distance Relationship

LR
Lay Report

LSE
Low Self Esteem

LTR
Long Term Relationship

mASF
Moderated ASF

MLTR
Multiple Long Term Relationships

MM
Mystery Method
Mystery

Neg or Neg Hit
Part of Mystery Method in showing Active Disinterest. These can range from sending your target little ambiguous comments to actual insults, depending upon the level of self esteem and social value of your target. Usually apllied as casual ambiguous comments that on one hand seem like a compliment but are actually the opposite. They convey that you are not sexally interested in the target, and are very effective while you build social value in her group of friends.
Mystery

NLP
Neuro-Linguistic Programming
Richard Bandler and John Grinder

Obstacle
Other person who is blocking your chances with your target, or coupld potentially block you.
Mystery

Oneitis or One-it is
Being obsessed with only one woman, and thinking that she is so special that no other girl will satisfy you.

ONS
One Night stand

Pattern
Specifically structured language to induce a desired emotional state (or mood) in your target.
Ross Jeffries

Pawn
A woman who is used (unknowingly) to increase your social value. They are created on the fly by gaming women who are not intended to be a target, so that you will be socially proofed in the eyes of others.
Mystery

Pivot
Similar to a Pawn except that they already know you and are either just friends or one of your MLTR's. They may or may not be aware of their Pivot status. You can also create Pivots on the fly.
Mystery

Player
Another term for a PUA (Pick-Up Artist)

PU
Pick-Up - Actually picking up women or referring to the art of pick-up.

PUA
Pick-Up Artist

RAFC
Recovering Average Frustrated Chump

RJ
Ross Jeffries - The father of the seduction community with Speed Seduction.

Sarge
Going out to meet and seduce women. Created by Ross Jeffries as a useful term used by Speed Seduction students, and now adopted by almost everyone in the seduction community. The term comes from the name of one of Ross' previous cats.
Ross Jeffries

SHB
Super Hot Babe

Sh*t Test
Either used consciously or unconsciously by women to test a guy's response, so that she can screen out guys based upon their attitude.
Tyler Durden

Social Proof
A key element of the psychology of influence based upon the concept fo social value. There are certain things that you can do to increase your social value. For example you will be socially proofed if you are with several SHB's that are completely into you. Or perhaps you are just the center of attention in a venue where you are well know
Robert B. Cialdini

SOI
Statement Of Intnet or a Show Of Interest.

SP (Self Point)
Self Point. This is a form of anochoring states to you, as used in Speed

Seduction (a seduction application of NLP).
Ross Jeffries

SP (Sticking Point)
Some area of your game that is not giving you the right results.

SS
Speed Seduction

Target
The woman that you intend to seduce.
Mystery
uASF
Unmoderated ASF

UG
Ugly Woman

Wing or Wingman
Another PUA who sarges with you, and ideally where you both assist each other's sarges and help improve your skills together.

Shark trained Badboy at badboylifestyle.com

2005-12-18T17:31:00.000-08:00

Shark_trained_badboy said...
From Badboy :

"How I met Shark? uh...It was 3-4 years ago, in a club. That was
really funny situation. I was in a 3set with 3 hotties (9's all three
of them). It was best set in a whole club. He approached my set
directly and took the 3rd hottie.... ignoring whole set.....his
approach was WOW for me. I was shocked to see a guy approach a mixed
set, go directly to target, without even bothering to talk with
anybody in the set besides his target....3-4 years ago, I was under
the influence of group method, and his direct crazy approach really
shocked me. Since then, we are best friends. He was in LTR almost 2
years, and came back to game again recently. For sure one of best
PUAs."

If Badboy lies(as usual) and says he never wrote it here is the Google cache of the
old webpage:

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:TZxYhrO_bJ4J:playboylifestyle.net/shark_workshop.php++%22From+Badboy%3F&hl=en

On that page it also says: "Shark & Badboy will help you learn Shark's
natural method of seducing chicks."

Ok, it says "...will help you learn SHARK'S natural method..." not
"BADBOY'S natural method." :)

Also this page:

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:7RbV-3f0RyAJ:playboylifestyle.net/phpBB2/faq.php%3Fsid%3D0082952ac1b4e82e55834249085086d5+Shark+Badboy+site:playboylifestyle.net&hl=en

"Shark is the best natural pickup artist and a Lifestyle instructor."

How the Hell can you be the "best natural" if you were just Badboy's
student?

On the same page it says:

"Badboy's game follow the structure of Attraction Phase -> Rapport
Phase -> Closing phase"

"Shark's game does not follow usual kinds of structures-in Shark's
game the main emphasis lies on being the man and living free from the
limitations of the society program."

9:24 AM

The Dating Wizard

2005-12-17T14:17:00.000-08:00

There is a great deal of OVER SIMPLIFICATION out there about how women are. Some guys try to scare you into thinking that all women are cheaters or gold-diggers or shallow or what have you. I'm not sure why they do this, maybe they really believe this, maybe scaring the bejeepers out of innocent guys serves them somehow. Like, maybe if they can scare a guy into thinking that his girlfriend or potential girlfriend will cheat on him, then suddenly there is a big need to become a pickup artist and learn how to be a "player", since after all, that's all there is left to life with the female species, since faithful relationships "are impossible anyway".

The crazy thing is, and I can 100% ABSOLUTELY ASSURE YOU OF THIS, is that if YOU believe that all women are this way, well then holy smokes Batman, they will most certainly be that way with YOU. And that's because your ACTIONS and your REACTIONS to women, your PERSPECTIVES have ABANDONED any strategies of KEEPING A GIRL WHO IS FAITHFUL, since such a girl supposedly doesn't exist. With the perspective these guys have, all engines are on getting sex with multiple women, and that's it. If a woman doesn't "get with the program", she's out. And then all his player friends give him "applause", because, after all, "what kind of b)*# is she, anyway for not jumping into bed with him?"

Not only that, but if you BELIEVE that all women are cheaters, then there is no need to really even TRY to screen women in this department, since, after all, "you can NEVER TELL who is a cheater".

This reminds me a bit of these guys I know who eat tons of junk food and never exercise and then they say things like "well you know they can't prove any of that health stuff really leads to better health or longer life". Yup, you never know, maybe eating nothing but Mars bars and watching TV is GOOD for you. Maybe it CONTRIBUTES to quality of life. Ya never know. Yup, so the chick who is on crack and smokes dope and parties 5 nights a week till 4am, hey, she "COULD be" much more stable than a girl who's in school, or working hard, has drug free friends, has a good relationship with her parents, and a a healthy lifestyle. Yup, it COULD be.

And just like the same guys who have horrible health habits will point to some guy who had a healthy lifestyle and suddenly kicked the bucket without warning, similarly some guys rooted in deep negativity will point to some rare example of a girl who seemed like she was really solid, and how she turned out to be this monster from hell. They will then blow this example out of perspective, and make it representative of all women.

Please.
Give me a break.

Also, if a guy BELIEVES that women are somehow evil, then he will PROJECT insecure behaviours when he is with them, and THAT is an attraction destroyer. He will see the WORST possible perspective on all her behaviours, even when she is INNOCENT, and THIS will drive her away. Instead of acting secure and confident and playful and FUN, he will be acting like a guy who is SERIOUSLY STRESSED OUT and ready to explode. Not cool.

Now, granted, there ARE some women out there who really ARE horrible.

Women who INTENTIONALLY manipulate guys and even try to knock the self esteem out of guys simply for the pleasure of it (because these women obviously don't have anything BETTER to do) and women who will go to great lengths to see just how much abuse a man will take.

Yes, definitely these women exist, and they are not some kind of rarity.

But for every woman like this, there is a guy out there just as bad.

How many MEN can get along with each other?
Truthfully, think about it.

How many rock bands can stay together?
They usually break up because they can't get along.

The Rolling Stones make the most amount of money not because they are the BEST rock group ever, (they're not) but they sure know what's good for them, and they have obviously learned how to work together for the benefit of all of them. I mean, these guys are in their 60's, and STILL packing stadiums, and the stadiums are not just packed with baby boomers, they're full of young adults and teenagers too!!!!! These guys know how to deliver to their fans. They know how to make up for a lack of art with an abundance of vitality and vibe.

But how many people can really get along, even for their own self interest?

It's DAMN RARE, that's what it is.

When employers hire staff, they often care far MORE about how an employee can get ALONG with others than his actual technical skills at the time of the interview. The reason is that technical skills can often be IMPROVED with time, a guy can LEARN those things. But if he can't get along with co-workers, it's going to be bad for everybody, it's going be less productivity, etc. So OBVIOUSLY, it's hard in GENERAL, among men or women, to find those who have GOOD PEOPLE SKILLS. In other words, people who have cool personalities. This specific element is universal, it's not just about men or just about women, it's both men AND women.

So if you are a GOOD GUY looking for a GOOD WOMAN, and not just sex, then OBVIOUSLY that requires far more work than just getting laid. It's a far greater SCREENING process than just getting sex. Under the "dating wizardry umbrella" comes a lot more than just sex, and if you are looking for a woman who has the total package, then the best way to FIND that woman is NOT to try to bed as many woman as possible, CONTRARY TO POPULAR belief. If you take the route of quantity, you will take a far different route than the route of quality.

Quantity can be thought of as "find a fu(*"

Quality can be thought of as homing in on a beacon.

Some people are just so selfish, that they REPEL others even though they don't WANT to repel others, but they just can't bring themselves to hold back and restrain themselves from doing things that really REPULSE others. It's in the DNA of their personality.

Getting laid is a mutually selfish activity, and therefore far easier to do. You can "get laid" by many women who are attractive but not good long term prospects quite easily if you just know how to trigger attraction in them. She will be attracted, but that doesn't make her a good catch. And though many guys will say "it's just sex", I have found that 99 percent of the time, that's how it STARTS, but never how it FINISHES. In other words, even "it's just sex", ends up having undesirable consequences if the woman was not a pretty good woman to begin with. Maybe it's her stalking him, maybe it's her trying to play games on him, maybe it's the guy finding that he actually likes her but she was just playing HIM.

So quality of personality becomes important
often even in the "superficial" relationships.

Course, you ain't gonna hear THAT info from the guys telling you that all women cheat, because then even their highly promoted products for SUPERFICIAL connections won't be that much fun, will they?

HOWEVER, at the SAME time, let me clearly state that just because a woman is NOT giving a "good guy" the attention he'd like, does NOT mean she is somehow a horrible woman!!!!!!!!

Let me be real clear here on what "horrible" is NOT.

-A woman is NOT horrible for wanting a guy to act cool.

-A woman is NOT horrible for wanting a guy to look his best.

-A woman is NOT horrible for wanting a guy to UNDERSTAND her social conditioning regarding sex and sexuality and how a man should behave so that she can be comfortable with him and feel GOOD with him and feel EXCITED with him.

-A woman is NOT horrible for wanting a guy that has some STYLE.

-A woman is NOT horrible for not wanting to feel PRESSURED into anything.

-A woman is NOT horrible to want to feel that she has a guy unlike any other guy, a guy who is masculine, emotionally strong, and who has a sense of timing for when to do what.

In many ways, men want similar things for themselves, just tailored especially for them, they want women who are attractive, who know how to make the best of themselves, who know how to appeal to their biological and culturally shaped desires for feminine women and make him feel masculine, and not "trip up" any of the wiring that HE needs to feel good in interacting with her.

So a guy can be as "good" as gold, but if he is CLUELESS on how to achieve all the above for a woman, then that woman will not be attracted, no matter HOW "good" of a person she is OR he is.

"Good" in this case simply has nothing to do with it.

It IS true that women are DIFFERENT from men in the way they need to be approached and interacted with in order to effectively trigger attraction, (the result of culture and biology) and it's CRITICAL to understand these differences, but NONE of these actual "differences" make women any better or worse morally than men.

The problem comes when naďve guys assume that women are somehow in general BETTER than men morally.

Or assuming that women are somehow not HUMAN, or that women aren't as sexual as men, or any of another bunch of horribly wrong assumptions.

Being ignorant of THIS stuff, THIS is what can cause problems, and sometimes THIS is what leads to things not working out between a guy and a girl, and all the nasty negative emotions that ensue. Which can cause a guy to start really believing that somehow women are worse than men.

So the bottom line is that while having the SKILLS to attract a woman works on just about any woman, this in NO WAY means that all women are the same, or that you will change the personality of a woman just because she is attracted.

You will ATTRACT her, not change her.

And THAT means, you have to SERIOUSLY KNOW WHAT YOU WANT when it comes to women.

Because WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU WANT, believe me, there are women out there that want the same thing.

If you just want to party, there are plenty of women like that. Playing that game is EASY if you really WANT to live that lifestyle.

If the idea of just partying your entire life nauseates you and bores you, then there are women who feel exactly the same way. Meeting women who are into more than just partying is actually quite easy as well, which was a shocking truth for me that I only recently discovered. Prior to that point, I had been brainwashed by so much negative propaganda about women, it's not even funny.

But HEED THESE WORDS:
Either way, you STILL have to have the skills, REGARDLESS of what type of woman you want.

Why should even the sweetest girl be some kind of martyr? Is she not entitled to be HAPPY????
Is she not entitled to feel GOOD about being with you????

And like I said, you have to REALLY KNOW YOUR VALUES, because if you don't really know your values, you will want to be in two contradictory places at once, like some guys who want to party and have multiple girlfriends and yet also want to have a serious monogamous relationship, or who want to have multiple girls but want each girl to be exclusive to himself. This type of mentality is the disastrous "something for nothing" attitude. And by the way, it will repel any of the women who ARE really ready for a serious relationship, and will also turn OFF the women who just want to party, because the guy isn't congruent to "party mode", since he's confused. So he ends up nowhere.

Know exactly what you want, shut out all other options, and then you can use the skills of attraction to get it asap.

And if you would like to learn the skills of attraction, so that you can be with the kind of woman that YOU enjoy, then I recommend you download my eBook, The Dating Wizard: Secrets to Success with Women, IMMEDIATELY. This is the DNA of attraction, where it all starts. You'll be coming back to this book as your trusty little secret, again and again.

By: Michael - The dating wizard

Cliff list DVD's are now out

2005-12-15T21:02:00.000-08:00

http://www.cliffslistconvention.com/

Cliff List DVD's are now out.

It's funny to watch these. When you understand body langauge
and what is going on. I'd say more than 80% of the presenters are either pretty feminine, or nervous.

"Now, For The First Time...A Secret Underground Community OfThe World's Greatest Seducers, Pickup Artists, and Dating Experts Break Their Years Of Silence To Teach You The Battle-Tested Techniques And Strategies They Use To Meet, Date, AndSeduce The Most Beautiful...Most Desirable Women On The Planet..."
How Would Your Dating LifeBe Different If... You Had The Rock-Solid Confidence To Approach Any Woman, Anywhere... And Knew Just The Right Thing To Say To Smoothly Start Up A Conversation... You Could Size Up A Woman Instantly And Know EXACTLY What To Say To Turn Her On And Make Her Want You... You Knew The Simple Secrets Guys Who Are "Naturally" Good With Women Use To Give Themselves An UNFAIR Advantage Over All Other Men... You Had Complete Control Over Your Emotions And Anxiety... And Could Completely BANISH The Nervousness And Anxiety That Has Spoiled Your Success With Women In The Past... You Knew How To Use Secret Eye Contact Techniques And Sexual Body Language To Spark Feelings Of Primal Attraction In A Woman From Across A Room... Often Getting Her So Excited That SHE Makes The First Move...
...Well, It's About TimeYou Found Out. Now you can discover the top-secret strategies of a very small group of men who have FAR more success with women than they rightfully deserve... and STEAL their proven, word-for-word tactics for: ...approaching women smoothly...getting phone numbers and dates from women most men consider "out of their league"...making women feel positively addicted to being around you...getting women back to your place easily...how to get your woman to bring other women into the bedroom with you...and much, much more... If you're serious about taking your success with women to a level most men will never even DREAM is possible, this just might be the most important letter you'll ever read... From: CliffordMontreal, Canada Saturday, 5:53 p.m.Dear Friend, What if I were to tell you that while you and your friends are out there struggling to meet women and get dates... there is a very small group of men who have figured it all out... and quietly enjoy more women in a month than most men will have in a lifetime? You'll never hear about these men or their amazing conquests. And you wouldn't be able to pick one out of a line-up if your life depended on it. Why? Well, they typically aren't rich or handsome... and very few fit the picture of what most would consider a "pick up artist" to look like. In fact... most of them look rather... well... plain. Up until very recently they have preferred to keep their secrets to themselves... discussing their tactics only in secret forums and private mailing lists tucked away in the far corners of the internet... where only the extremely curious and stupidly lucky could ever hope to stumble upon them. I'd like to share with you the amazing story of how I "accidentally" become one of the founding fathers of this community. and tell you the secrets we've discovered that YOU can use to meet and date the women of your dreams. But I have to warn you: What you are about to read may shock you. and will DEFINITELY change the way you think about women and dating forever.
The Discovery That Changed My Life... I don't know about you... but when I was in my teens, I was pretty shy. I guess the best way to describe me would have been "nerdy". It seemed in the beginning that getting a woman into bed was an almost insurmountable task. I was able to make "friends" with women, but being intimate was another story. This may sound funny to you, but I'm totally serious. I didn't have a girlfriend until I was about 18, and my time with her lasted for two periods of about six months each. I attribute that to pure luck... because I really had no idea how I was able to get her interested in the first place... and I didn't know what I was doing that kept her interested in me. But it certainly wasn't because I wasn't trying. I looked everywhere for information on how to be successful with women. You know those old "How To Pick Up Girls" books you would see in the back of magazines? I ordered them all... and I scoured used book stores for more of them. Well... as you can imagine, nothing REALLY gave me the results I was looking for. I learned a few things but I was far from where I wanted to be. I also forced myself to approach women. I remember one of the first times I went up to a woman in a disco. I was really shocked when she was totally uninterested... as I couldn't understand how she couldn't see that I was a good guy. I learned rather quickly that there was a lot more to meeting a woman and getting her interested than just having the nerve to go up and talk to her. The next few years were filled with "hit and miss" successes and lean times. But finding out how to attract the kinds of women that I was interested remained a mystery... and a burning desire. But between you and I... I was secretly worried it might NEVER happen for me. Maybe there has been a time when you've felt the same way... Fast forward a few years. one day I heard couple of local radio announcers were talking about how a "Seduction Guru" was a guest on a television talk show. I missed that show... but I was determined to find out what the fuss was about. I called up the station in New York and they gave me the "guru's" phone number. I called it and the person on the other end of the line told me that he had published a book, which I ordered immediately. A couple of weeks later I received a glued together collection of hardcore "how to pick up women" tips which I absolutely devoured. Through this "guru" I managed to meet up with some other like-minded guys who were interested in this stuff... and some of them were VERY good. This was about the same time the Internet was starting to play a role in society... so I decided to try the whole "email" thing out, and make my own email list for guys who were interested in improving their success with women. I started by sending out some of my own tips and questions I had about meeting women to some of my new friends... And well... what happened next was INCREDIBLE.
How Hundreds Of Guys Were Able ToGo From Failure ToSuccess With Women.And How YOU Can Do The Same... Over the next few weeks my inbox was FLOODED with new mail. Several of the "top guns" I had sent the email to responded to my questions... and their insights were amazing. I had asked for advice on how to get a woman's phone number... and one of these guys had written back with a detailed, word-for-word plan that showed me EXACTLY how to walk up to a woman and strike up a conversation easily... get her phone number with ZERO resistance... and exactly what to say to her on the phone to set up a date... I had also asked about tips for meeting women in bars and nightclubs... and another guy wrote back with a detailed strategy he had been using for the last 4 years to meet women and bring them back to his place the very same night ... week after week. I also shared a tip I had discovered for striking up a conversations with waitresses and cashiers... and a friend wrote me back and said it was so good that he just HAD to share it with his friends... I took all of the great suggestions and tips I had gotten back, put them all together in one big email... and send it back out to everyone on my list. Little did I know that that moment would be the start of something BIG. From that point on, every time I sent out an email, I was received DOZENS of replies. It was a regular thing for guys to forward the emails to their friends... and for their friends to ask to join "the list". Guys would look up their friends who were "naturals" with women and invite them to come on board. I started to hunt out for men with skills - when I found out about someone who was successful with women, I wanted them to be on the mailing list and I wanted them to send in their thoughts. Friendly competition came into play... people began sharing their very best tips and strategies---stuff they had worked years to develop---to claim newfound fame among their peers. Newbies were free to ask questions which the "gurus" fought to answer... adding more and more priceless knowledge to the bank. My tiny list had quickly turned into an TREASURE TROVE of seduction material. Once or twice a week I would take the very best stuff and put it together and send it out again... prompting a whole new torrent of replies. Guys began referring to it as "Cliff's List", and the name stuck. Several guys turned me on to other secret places on the internet where this stuff was being discussed. These places were often password protected, and guys would share tips and even pictures of the women they had seduced (and let me tell you. many of these women were AMAZING. Some men were even skilled enough to seduce famous actresses and models. and posted the "proof".) Of course I would scour those forums and chat rooms for the very best stuff, which I would then share with my readers.
The Amazing Secrets We Discovered... My little list has been around for over 8 years now. Of course the really great thing about it is what it has done for men personally... including myself. Over the last 8 years, thanks to all of the great information guys around the world have been so generous to share, I have helped turned the lives of many guys around. They no longer have the same problems they used to have with women. It sure feels good to have made such a difference, let me tell you. And now... I want to continue helping other guys do the same. But here's the thing... Even with all of the great information flowing through the list, it is still not easy to put together all the bits and pieces someone needs to be successful in their dating life. Maybe I would pick up a great tip for building one's confidence one week, and a new great first date idea a couple weeks later... but due to the format of the List, there has never been an A-Z plan for success that would cover all of the bases in one fell swoop. If a guy were to subscribe today, it might take him a while to absorb all of the information that he personally needs to be successful with women. And what if the one piece he needed was in a back issue? It would take a year to read them all.... and that's no good. I knew EXACTLY what I needed to do...
A Detailed Plan ForSuccess With Women I decided that I needed to get very best contributors together in one room... bring in a camera crew... and get them to share their detailed strategies and secrets live on tape for the benefit of all men who had shared in our struggle. But would they do it? I sent out an email to the list... and got back a resounding "YES". Dozens of men volunteered to speak. Many of them were among the "best of the best". Of course I hand picked only the cream of the crop. I had to twist a few arms, but eventually I had the All-Star line-up that I was looking for. In total, I had 21 of the world's greatest seducers and pickup artists, and dating experts. Each one agreed to share their exact formula for success with women, and reveal the secrets they had spent YEARS to perfect. The event was to be 3 whole days long, so each one would have plenty of time to lay it all out. I couldn't wait! After months of preparation, it all came together. And let me tell you. it was incredible.
Here Are The Secrets That Were SharedAt This Amazing Event.
Day OneHow To Approach Women, Meeting Women Online,Getting Women To Call YOU,And More...Brent It might be safe to say that the first presenter you'll hear from has had more experience with hot, exotic women than most men will ever have with their own right hand... and I'm deadly serious. Brent has lived a life most men only dream about. Although he is not a "natural" and did have to go out and learn this stuff like everyone else, he has definitely taken it to a whole new level. having had relations with an untold number of women. Many in the community consider him to be the best of the best. In his early days, Brent's motto was "run it like a business". and that is exactly what he did. He developed a "clockwork" system for going out and meeting women. getting phone numbers. and turning them into dates and more. To say he was successful would be an understatement. None the less. Brent wasn't satisfied. He felt that all of this was too much like "work". so he made it his goal to meet a sexy, bisexual girlfriend to help him out. It didn't take him long to make that dream a reality. and Brent lived the fantasy for several years before again finding himself single. And as it turned out. his most remarkable discovery was yet to come. Several years ago Brent accidentally stumbled upon a way to get women to pursue HIM. and these days his phone rings OFF THE HOOK with women calling him up to ask HIM out. The best part about Brent's discovery is that any guy can use it to get women to literally chase him down. and this strategy was the foundation of Brent's presentation at this year's Convention. And as you can imagine. it was also a MAJOR highlight. This is the first time Brent has shared his complete system. including the exact sentences of what to say to the woman you want to have her call you up and ask you out. And that's not all. here are a few more of the groundbreaking techniques and strategies he shared:
A great "save" for when you run out of things to say to a woman that comfortably gets HER doing the talking
The answering machine message that almost FORCES a woman to call you back. and ask you out!
How to get your power back on the first phone call to a woman - say just this one simple line to get HER pursuing YOU!
Newsflash: Approaching a woman right after she gets hit on by someone else is actually EASIER than approaching her out of the blue. when you know this one simple but ultra-effective line
How to get a woman to call YOU after the very first time you meet! Brent's secret way to give her your phone number that actually gets her to call (Brent has hinted at this in other seminars. and now, for the first time, he reveals the exact words that get 9 out 0f 10 women to call him FIRST)
A new way to approach the one woman in the bar that EVERY guy is hitting on and get her to choose YOU (You haven't seen jealousy until you do THIS.)
How to get a woman to reveal the very best "line" to use on her (It sounds crazy. but it works. Here's how it's done. )
How to get a woman WITHOUT hitting on her. and actually get HER to hit on YOU (A crowd favorite from the man himself)
Tyler Although Tyler is now famous in the community for his awesome contributions to the game, many don't realize that his success did NOT come easy. Like many of us, Tyler struggled to meet women in his early days. and even after he discovered the community and all it had to offer, success did not come easy for him. But after two solid years of back-breaking work---going out 6 to 7 nights every single week---Tyler began to figure it all out. and was soon attracting SMOKING hot women on a nightly basis. Many who meet Tyler are STUNNED at the level of success he has achieved. as he looks just like your regular, normal guy. But get him in a nightclub and you will soon see why Tyler is one of the best in the world. I have personally witnessed this man achieve things that I would have never believed had I not seen them with my own eyes. from walking up to a woman surrounded by men---only to be kissing her minutes later. to making one lap around a club and having every woman in the place FIGHTING to get in his pants. This man is something else. Tyler was one of the first people to teach "in-field" workshops. and in the last 2 years he and his team of instructors have helped literally hundreds of men become more successful with women and dating. including Fortune 500 executives, celebrities, college students, and professionals from over 30 countries. In his awesome presentation, you'll learn the techniques he uses to give himself an advantage over men that are better looking than he is. and exactly what you need to do to bring yourself from failure to success with women in the shortest amount of time humanly possible. Here is a quick preview of what he shared:
The DEADLY TRAPS that prevent guys from EVER getting this stuff down. and how to be absolutely sure you avoid them
4 "quick tricks" to convey high status and power when you meet a woman
The REAL REASON why bartenders and nightclub bouncers get a lot of women. and how YOU can duplicate their success without actually working at the club
Why meeting a woman "cold" is actually MORE POWERFUL than meeting her through your circle of friends (This will change the way you think about approaching women forever)
The 2 traits of guys who have THE MOST success with women. and how to cultivate them in yourself
An easy way to barrel through a "cold shoulder" and get a woman to warm up to you FAST
A simple way an older guy can give himself a MASSIVE ADVANTAGE over younger "competition" in a bar or nightclub
How to implement what you learn in the program QUICKLY and make it a permanent, natural part of your personality
The difference between "direct" and "indirect" openers. and how to use each to spark attraction in a woman with your very first sentence
A major mistake guys make when using a "canned" opener that ruins their chances no matter how good the actual line is (If you've ever learned a so-called "great" line somewhere but it DIDN'T work for you, this is probably why. )
Dave M.
The Amazing Secret Of An Ordinary 32 Year-old Guy From South Florida Who Gets Over 18 Dates With Attractive Women Each And Every Month. Using Nothing But His Home Computer! What's the fastest, easiest, lowest-risk, most convenient way to meet literally DOZENS of interesting, sexy, attractive, available women? The answer is, of course. ONLINE DATING. You've probably heard a million stories from friends about how they or someone they know has met a great girl online... and maybe you've even tried it. It's a fact that online dating is becoming more and more socially ACCEPTED... and with its growing popularity, more and more REALLY interesting and attractive women are joining these sites looking for good men. But unfortunately for most men. actually MEETING WOMEN on these sites can be HARDER than meeting them in real life. Women are bombarded with DOZENS and DOZENS of emails a day from every type of guy you can imagine. and it gets old fast. And even if you do get through and get a woman to actually read your email and respond. getting her to meet up with you in person is a COMPLETELY different story. It can be an impossible task. but now, it doesn't have to be that way for YOU. The next guest you'll hear from is a man who has literally "cracked the code" of the online personals. and gets over a DOZEN dates every single month. without ever leaving the house. His name is Dave M., and in this remarkable presentation he reveals the unique "autopilot" system you can use to turn any dating site into your own personal GOLDMINE of attractive women. It took Dave over 5 years to develop these powerful strategies. but you'll get them all in less than one hour. from how to turn your profile into a MAGNET that practically forces women to write you. to the word-for-word emails and responses Dave uses to get phone numbers and set up dates. It's all laid out for you right here. step-by-step. Here are just a few of the tips he shared in this remarkable presentation:
The 3 biggest mistakes guys make when trying to meet women online (Any one of these will completely ELIMINATE your chance of getting a reply. so listen up)
A simple 2-step email system that all but GUARANTEES she will reply to your second email with HER PHONE NUMBER
4 great word-for-word lines you can use to tease a woman online that create instant attraction and separate you from the rest of the LOSERS that are trying to get her attention
A secret way to "spy" on guys who are good at online dating and steal their techniques!
What you MUST do at the end of your emails if you want a woman to reply. and a way to challenge a woman that gets her to write you back EVERY TIME (This tip alone was worth the price of admission. )
A sneaky way to get women to reply to you who ARE NOT subscribed to the site (85% of the women you see are not paying members. so you can see why the online dating sites HATE when you do this... )
How to get a woman to send you her phone number WITHOUT you even asking
The kind of pictures you must use to have the best chances of getting a response from a really attractive woman
How to make yourself look desirable by being PICKY in your descriptions
A simple trick to get your profile at the VERY TOP of the search listings (this way a woman will ALWAYS see YOU first when she is looking around)
The subject lines that DOUBLE the chances of a woman opening your email (With women getting DOZENS of emails every day, this is KEY. Another priceless tip from the master that you'll use in every email you send.)
Steve Steve is a spiritual guru and renegade hypnotist who is known throughout the community for his powerful metaphysical routines and unique knowledge of the female mind and body. There are few who haven't used his teachings to have more success with women, and after you hear what he had to say in this groundbreaking presentation, I'm sure YOU will do the same. Here are just a couple of the ultra-powerful routines you'll learn from Steve:
A simple 3-minute exercise you can use with a woman you've just met to create a deep spiritual bond (She'll feel like the two of you are "meant to be" when you do this right. and it's surprisingly easy to do.)
A powerful exercise that will show you how to completely SILENCE the negative "inner voices" that are killing your self-confidence and sabotaging your success with women. FOREVER (Steve learned this technique when he was doing suicide interventions. and there is no better or faster way to eliminate the crap inside your head that is slowing you down.)
How to extend your connection with a woman beyond sex. the secret to creating a deep heart-and-soul connection that lasts as long as you want it to
What you must do differently when looking for a relationship rather than a one-night-stand (If you miss this, women will notice and immediately mark you as a "player". so listen up.)
"Celtic Soul Gazing" - A live, word-for-word demonstration of one of the most famous and powerful routines in the community. by the originator himself. This is one of the VERY BEST ways to create an amazing bond with a woman that she will NEVER forget. and you can use it within minutes of meeting her. In this special one-time demonstration Steve also shares an ancient Huna breathing exercise you can use to double the strength of the connection and give a woman an experience she will NEVER forget. (Just wait till you see the smile on the face of Steve's lucky assistant. PRICELESS.)
Will Will is a man you will rarely see posting to the List. he's too busy meeting women. His unique sense of humor and powerful, easy-to-use techniques were one of the highlights of the convention. and you'll be able to use them the very same night you learn them to meet attractive women and make them want you. Here are just a few of the hilarious and effective techniques he shared:
How to befriend the doorman at the hottest nightclubs and get in for FREE. without waiting in line! (Think about how many women will want to roll with YOU when you know this. )
How to walk into a bar or nightclub with a powerful presence that makes you stand out from every other guy in the place
How to let a woman know you can "take her or leave her" (Will shows you exactly how he uses this to get women to OFFER their phone numbers to him!)
How to use a "wingwoman" to DOUBLE your opportunities to meet women. without doing any extra work
The types of clothing that make women approach YOU
The world's WORST pickup line (this one is hilarious. and makes a great opener just talking about it - "Hey girls. want to hear the WORST pickup line ever?" )
A simple electronic device you can use to get women to approach YOU in a bar or club
A great way to start a conversation with a woman the SECOND time you make eye contact with her
How to smoothly stop a woman that is walking through a bar or a nightclub (or down the street) and strike up a conversation (this is one of the hardest situations to meet a woman. unless you know this)
One of the best ways to introduce yourself to a woman that I have EVER heard! (In all of my years of publishing my newsletter, this is one of my favorites)
The 4 questions you must NEVER ask a woman (Any one of these will tell her you are a CHUMP instantly. and most men never even realize it)
Awesome conversation topics that get women talking and almost automatically take things in the right direction
A great "default" question you can use to start a conversation with a woman anytime anywhere. and the follow-up question that smoothly launches you into a conversation (Will has used this HUNDREDS of times, and you will too when you learn it)
A way to give a woman YOUR phone number that almost GUARANTEES she will call (This is hilarious and fun. and will build her curiosity to the breaking point. Will has actually had women call him MINUTES after he does this!)
The Barometer Test - A simple way to find out EXACTLY what type of woman you are dealing with so you know the absolute best way to seduce her
A ballsy way to approach a woman when you are with a wingman that makes almost any girl DIE laughing
A cocky and funny way to bust on a woman you just met that tells her you are an opportunity she SHOULDN'T pass up
A funny line to say to a short girl to keep her interested in you
7 simple words you can say to a group of women to win over each and every one of them at once
"Killing Them Softly" - Will's secret "stair-stepping" method of building attraction that makes a woman want you more and more each time she sees you And That's Not All. Those are JUST A FEW of the awesome presenters you'll hear from on Day One. You'll also hear from Stephane, Dr Alex, and Cameron T. 3 more of the world's top experts who stunned the crowd with their insights and techniques. These 3 guys have been some of the top contributors to my List over the years. and I was fortunate to get each one of these guys to take the stage for one full hour. The secrets they revealed were mind-blowing. Here are just a few:
How to manifest your full potential as a person and become the type of guy who naturally attracts women
3 Powerful drills that will expand your mind and make you INSTANTLY more effective with women
A secret to cultivating your sexual energy
A step-by-step plan to becoming a multi-orgasmic man (It's surprisingly easy. but sadly, most men never figure it out.)
The 4 types of women you MUST avoid if you want to have a healthy relationship
A great line to say to a woman who is "too cool" that lets her know you are on her level and opens her up to a conversation
An awesome technique to earn a woman's trust in the bedroom that makes her feel totally comfortable taking things to a sexual level (You'll use this every time you are intimate with a woman from now on. )
How to REALLY stop caring about what other people think of you and start living for YOU (This mental shift is MAGNETICALLY attractive to women. but it's easier said than done. Here's what you need to do to make it happen.)
What to do when a woman tries to control you - a simple way to take the reigns back that shows her who the man is in a gentlemanly way
How to position yourself while seated that lets women know you are confident, relaxed, and someone she needs to meet
Day TwoSexual Body Language, Seducing Actresses And Models,Getting Your "Inner Game" Together, And More...
Mystery Internationally recognized at "The World's Greatest Pickup Artist". Mystery has dated some of the most beautiful women in the world. including elite supermodels and "A-List" actresses. and is currently dating a Sports Illustrated swimsuit model. He's been featured in The New York Times, Elle magazine, The Montreal Gazette, and many more. In fact, media outlets are knocking on his door daily fighting to get an interview. Mystery was the first man ever to put his skills "on the line" by taking students out to nightclubs and teaching his tactics LIVE and in the field. Many have since copied his "In-field Workshop" style of teaching, but all freely admit that Mystery is the original. and the best. Many of the most respected pickup artists in the community attribute their own success to his teachings. Mystery has an open challenge to any man who thinks he can "out pull" him in a nightclub environment. and not surprisingly. no one has EVER taken him up on it. And my bet is that if someone did, they would lose. Mystery is the creator of the Mystery MethodT - a proven scientific system that is geared towards attracting the most desirable and exclusive women in the world. and in his awesome presentation he'll show you exactly how to use his system to attract women that most consider "out of their league". Here's what you'll learn
How to handle "last minute resistance" - The things women think about before "getting down to business". and how to make her feel totally comfortable with "going all the way"
A simple secret to ELIMINATE "approach anxiety" and create feelings of confidence in any situation you are in (You can even use this "in the field" to eliminate the hesitation you feel when you see a hot woman you want to meet.)
How to approach a woman who is with a group of men. get the guys to accept you as a friend. and even encourage the woman you want to PURSUE YOU (This is the most powerful part of the Mystery Method. and this lesson from the master himself will open up DOZENS of opportunities for you because you will no longer be afraid to approach a woman who is with or around other men.)
A way to make every woman in a nightclub see you as an attractive man (This simple tip will get even the hottest women in the club to wonder "who IS that guy?". and do whatever they can to meet you.)
How to turn your fear of approaching women into a GOOD THING that actually improves your game (Believe it or not. even Mystery gets PETRIFIED when approaching a woman. Here's how you can actually use this fear to your advantage and supercharge your game. )
David Shade David Shade is one of the world's foremost experts in the art of pleasing a woman. and has had his work published in several large magazines. To make a long story short. he may know more about how to please a woman than practically anyone else alive. He's a sexual "guru" who teaches men and women how to have mind-blowing sex. Several years ago he decided to make it his life mission to find out how to REALLY turn a woman on. He was especially driven to find out what separated the "men" from the "boys"... why women remembered the bedroom skills of some men FOREVER... when most others they tried to forget. He's talked with HUNDREDS of women... and conducted some VERY wild experiments that I'll leave to your imagination... In his words... his specialty is "teaching guys how to take a woman's pleasure beyond anything she's ever imagined possible... and open up her up to things she is too inhibited to do... but KNOWS she would LOVE to do"... So, as you can imagine... his presentation was fascinating. Most men don't realize that women are EXTREMELY sexual creatures... FAR more sexual than a man could ever imagine... Unfortunately most men will never get to see this side of a woman... because they just don't know how to bring it out. But on the other hand... if you know how to bring out this "wild side" in a woman... you are in for a REAL treat. In this stunning presentation, David will show you exactly how to do this with ANY woman... step-by-step (it's not hard when you know how... but unfortunately most guys never even think to learn) Here is a small sample of what he'll share with you:
The things that "bad boys" do to get women SEXUALLY ADDICTED to them (This is the REAL reason "bad boys" can get away with almost ANYTHING)
An amazing way to get a woman to have phone sex with you the very first time you get her on the phone! (All women secretly LOVE this. the key is knowing how to bring it out. Here's how it's done. )
Newsflash: Why 77% of all woman have NEVER had a vaginal orgasm. and what to do about it
How to bring out the wild, sex-crazed animal that is hidden inside of every woman. yet most guys NEVER get to see (The secret is knowing how to make her feel comfortable enough to "let it all out". and the good news is it's easy to learn. )
Doc Our next guest, Doc, is a practicing psychologist and a MASTER of the dating game. who frequently dates over 8 women at the same time--- often for several years! Doc is a personal friend of mine and I had a feeling his presentation would be dynamite. but it turns out I had no idea. From the moment he took the stage, the crowd sat spellbound as he shared one amazing strategy after another. everything from how to make a powerful first impression. to how to become the "social director" of your entire town and position yourself so that the women come to YOU. The best part about Doc's material is that he covers parts of the game that no one else even thinks about. yet can improve your success with women practically overnight. Many of the men in the audience were unfamiliar with Doc before this event, but when you see his presentation it will be come very clear to you why he was a crowd favorite. Here is a small sample of what he shared:
Simple "tweaks" in the way you present yourself that you can learn and adapt in 5 minutes. and TRIPLE the chances of a woman responding positively to you
How to use the space around you to command attention and create a powerful presence that everyone around you will notice (Your friends won't be happy when women notice YOU and only YOU)
How to create a unique "look" for yourself that says you are confident, sensual, and know how to please a woman
The 3 things a woman notices FIRST about a man. and how to nail each one so she sees you as DESIRABLE instead of DORKY
How to project STATUS and POWER when you first meet a woman in a way that is confident, not arrogant
A detailed system for expanding your social network and becoming "the man" in your town (Doc is truly a networking genius. and now for the first time he shares his step-by-step plan for creating a "social funnel" that practically pours women into your lap. )
How to make female friends. and become their FIRST CHOICE when they are looking to set up a sexy friend with a date
Toecutter The next man you'll hear from is a master of making women feel comfortable and curious about him, building attraction and sexual tension FAST, and keeping conversations "hot" for as long as he likes (which is usually until the woman jumps on him). Toecutter is very experienced with women. He's one of those guys you would call "natural". who has met and dated women all around the world... He has a particular kind of experience and perspective that is unlike anything else out there. He's built quite a reputation for himself with his unique strategies and insights... and many of my readers INSISTED that he share them at the convention. Well. as to be expected, Toecutter came through. Here's a small sample of what he shared:
How to move to a new town and create a new life for yourself from the ground up
How to walk into a bar by yourself and find a great wingman (This way you'll never miss a night on the town if you're friends are busy)
A way to "warm yourself up" when you first enter a nightclub that sets you up for massive success later on
How to create powerful routines that make women curious about you out of the everyday questions they ALWAYS ask you
How the mistakes you make with women can actually be a GOOD THING that help you come up with great routines in the future
A mental mistake guys make that causes them to display NEEDY body language "clues" that women pick up on instantly
The "3 Dances" Of A Seduction - The 3 things you must be aware of when you are talking to a woman in order to create attraction (Master just these 3 things and everything else will take care of itself)
The secrets of "conversational energy" - how to change the tone of your voice to create a deep connection with a woman and get her to see you as a potential lover instead of "just a friend"
Bishop Known for his innovative stories and techniques, Bishop is a legend among Cliff's List readers. You might have seen his interview on the TV show "Extra" or heard him on KABC radio. Starting back in 1998, Bishop began to post his detailed written seductions of women. which launched him into the upper levels as one of the community's top seduction masters. His creations became the templates for countless seduction techniques and strategies. From 1998 to 2001 Bishop was THE GUY every seducer-in-training wanted to learn from. Through his original book "Bishop's Journal" he helped guys from all corners of the world become more successful with women, and there seemed to be no end to his impact. But then. controversy struck. and Bishop vanished from the community for nearly 4 years. Many wondered what became of him. and no one knew where he could be found. But now. for the first time in 4 years. Bishop is BACK. with all-new powerful strategies that he claims will make his old teachings obsolete! This was the first seminar Bishop has presented at since his return. and his presentation proved that he is still on top of his game. In it, you'll learn how to meet women WITHOUT pickup lines. and the things you can observe about her and comment on without looking like a typical schmuck. He'll also cover the inner issues and drama you must eliminate if you want to avoid looking like a "dork" in front of a woman. and THREE awesome ways to fend off a "cockblocker" that make him look and feel like a total MORON for even trying to get in on your game. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. but I'm going to leave the rest as a surprise. I will tell you this. you will NOT be disappointed.
Patty Patty is a world champion ballroom dancer, and is an EXPERT at reading and projecting SEXUAL body language. She trains men and women how to get in touch with their INNER sexuality, and in this presentation, she'll show you how to project a powerful sexual energy that FORCES women to notice you. and often even APPROACH YOU. Here's what you'll learn in this fascinating presentation:
LIVE demonstrations of the easy-to-learn SEXUAL body language techniques that make women feel attraction for you
A way to shake a woman's hand that tells her you are confident and sensual
A simple way to touch a woman while you are opening a door for her that makes her feel like a woman. and shows her YOU are a strong, powerful man
How to turn a woman on by simply standing BEHIND her
The body language "tells" that let a woman know you are FAKING IT and not really the womanizer you are pretending to be
The subtle body language sign that lets you know you should back away from a woman (Miss this and she will think you are following her around. NOT GOOD.)
A simple change in the way you walk---used by male models and ballroom dancers---that practically FORCES a woman to notice you (You can learn it in 3 minutes. and when you use it you'll literally see women turn their heads as you walk by. Awesome.)
Day ThreeHow To Set Up Threesomes, Ways To Touch A Woman That Drive Her Wild, How To Meet Women In Bars And Nightclubs,And More.
David DeAngelo Thousands of men around the world attribute David DeAngelo to be THE SOURCE of their dating success. He is author of the popular book "Double Your Dating" and creator of many innovative programs dealing with all aspects of dating and attraction. each of which all will agree is a stroke of genius. But what many men do NOT know is that David DeAngelo's first step to becoming the world's leading authority on the topic of dating advice for men was posting his theories and insights on Cliff's List! Veteran readers will remember when David. first posting under the pseudonym "Sisonpyh". turned the List on its head with a groundbreaking 10-page post detailing his unique strategies for meeting and attracting women. I have never gotten so many responses to one email. and I wasn't surprised. His theories were incredibly powerful and easy to use. and guys went absolutely crazy with them. To this day I STILL receive success stories from men who have used his techniques to take their success with women to the next level. That first post became the foundation for David's now-famous eBook, "Double Your Dating". which catapulted him to his present position as the KING of men's dating advice. These days you can't go anywhere on the internet without finding his material. and there is one reason for that: It works. I can't tell you how excited I was to have David return to his roots and share his insights at the Convention. As expected, the material he shared was second-to-none. and you're going to love it. It was also completely BRAND NEW. and you can't find it anywhere else.
Style The next presenter you'll hear from has been called "the most powerful of the Jedi". and few will argue that he is one of the best seducers to have ever lived. But perhaps the most amazing thing about Style is that just a few short years ago he was having ZERO success with women. and actually entered the community as a reporter. looking to do some research and write a book about our "secret society". but never expecting to actually have success himself. Style got his start when he signed up for Mystery's first ever in-field workshop. It wasn't long before he became Mystery's top student and wingman. and one of the top originators of new material the community has ever seen. Many people are also shocked to discover that Style is a New York Times Best-selling Author, having written the well-known biographies of Jenna Jameson, Motley Crue, Dave Navarro, and Marilyn Manson. His upcoming book is called, "The Game - Penetrating The Secret Society Of Pickup Artists". and is sure to be a hit. In his awesome presentation, he shared a TON of great tactics you can learn in minutes and start using to attract more women immediately. Here are just a few:
How to use riddles, jokes, and games to keep conversations going as long as you want them to, let women know you are interesting and fun, and build attraction FAST
"The 5 Questions" - A hilarious trick you can play on a woman that is silly and fun and gets her in a sexually playful mood
"Eliciting Values" - A live demonstration of Style's famous "Eliciting Values" Routine - 3 simple questions you can ask a woman to get inside of her head, find out what she REALLY wants in life, and create an instant bond with her by showing her that YOU can give her the feelings she longs for
The "E.S.P. Routine" - A funny mind-reading routine that fools a woman into thinking you have actual psychic abilities (Don't worry. it's totally innocent, and women LOVE it.)
Style's "100% Perfect Girl" Story - A romantic story laced with a secret hidden message that subconsciously tells a woman that she better do WHATEVER she can to make you hers! (This powerful story is famous in the community for good reason. and now. for the first time ever. you can hear Style tell it in its entirety---while showing you exactly WHEN and HOW to use it.)
The First Ever "Threesome Panel" As I mentioned to you earlier. many of the guys who spoke at this program have UNFAIR success with women. and for some, that even includes MULTIPLE women at the same time. To truly take this program to the next level, I asked 3 of these experts to join each other on stage and share their secrets in the first-ever THREESOME PANEL. The topic, of course. was how to score with more than one woman at the same time. and these guys left no stone unturned. From how to find a woman who is bisexual and willing to share in the fun. to the best spots to find women who are open and willing. my 3 guests laid down each piece of the puzzle, step-by-step. Prepare to be amazed. the information they shared was truly OUT OF THIS WORLD. and you need to hear it. Here are just a few of the breakthrough discoveries they shared:
How to find and attract a hot, bisexual girlfriend that will help you go out. meet women, and bring them home. and even do most of the work for you!
How to find out if a woman is open to a threesome the very first time you meet her
The types of women that are most likely to have a threesome with you. and where to find them
How to bring up the idea of a threesome with a woman you are dating in a way that makes her feel comfortable and EXCITED
A big mistake guys make when trying to set up a threesome with a girlfriend that could cost you your relationship
How to put the fantasies in the head of a woman you are already dating. get her to imagine how much fun it will be. and what to say to actually make it happen
What to do when she tries to get you to bring another man into the mix
A step-by-step method for going out with your woman and finding another woman to have a threesome with. including the exact word-for-word lines and techniques to make things go smoothly. from 3 guys who have done it DOZENS and DOZENS of times before!
The places where you and your "primary" are most likely to find another woman to have some fun with
The exact words to say to get a woman back to your place
How to build and handle a "harem" of women that are always available to do your sexual bidding (I know this sounds far-fetched. but one of the guys you'll hear from has actually done this SEVERAL times. and in this presentation he'll show you how)
The "Dual Induction Massage" - An amazing way to get the actual threesome started smoothly once both women are back at your place that has a shocking 80% success rate! And sexual guru David Shade wasn't done yet. He took the stage YET AGAIN to share even more of his awesome threesome techniques:
The 2 types of women who are open for a threesome
How to get your woman into having threesomes with you - what's in it for her
The type of woman you should never even BRING UP having a threesome with (If you're dating one of these women, even asking could ruin your relationship)
How to address her concerns and make her feel comfortable with the idea
Why you must NEVER have a threesome with one of her friends
The types of nightclubs where you are MOST likely to meet a bisexual woman (Hint: It's NOT a lesbian or gay bar. here's where you need to go instead.)
His step-by-step method for meeting a woman to have threesomes with, where to find her, how to test for bisexuality, where to find prospects, how to get them talking to each other, and how to "close the deal"
Sensei Do you know exactly WHEN you should touch a woman for the first time? Here's a hint: If you do it too soon she'll think you're a creep. and if you wait too long you'll be in "The Friend Zone" before you know it. Sensei is responsible for bringing hundreds of men from "zero to hero" through his live, intensive workshop. and his cutting edge techniques are the talk of the community. During this hard-hitting presentation, you'll learn everything there is to know about touching a woman in a way that makes her want you. from how to make that crucial first touch to how to amp up attraction FAST. and even how to tell a woman's level of interest by the way she touches you. This is the very first presentation of its kind. and there is nowhere else in the world where you can learn these techniques. The best part is that with Sensei's material there is no "learning curve" and not much practice required. Simply memorize the moves and start using them immediately to make women feel attraction for you. Here's what you'll learn in this revolutionary presentation:
The best time to make that crucial "first touch". and why you absolutely MUST touch a woman at this time if you EVER want to touch her again
What your touch says to a woman - how to let her know instantly that you are a desirable man. and the BIG MISTAKE inexperienced guys make that clue a woman in on their weakness
The exact distance you should stand from a woman on the initial approach. and a smooth way to get closer to her that still makes her feel totally comfortable instead of creeping her out
A sensual way to shake a woman's hand that lets a woman know you know how to please her in the bedroom
How to use body language to supercharge your cocky humor
"Kino Escalation" - How to initiate physical contact with a woman in a way that makes her excited instead of uncomfortable (this is where most guys screw up big time by being too "touchy feely")
"The Hockey Check" - A smooth way to close the distance and get right next to a woman that tells her you know EXACTLY what you're doing.
How to let a woman know that it is "ok" for her to show her attraction to you (This is a great way to get HER to do all the work!)
What you can tell from touching a woman's hand - Here's how to gauge her interest and know instantly whether she is worth pursuing or not (This is the one part of a woman's body that NEVER LIES. and now you'll know exactly how to read it)
An almost MAGICAL body language move you can use to smoothly take a woman away from the group---or even her own group of friends---when it's time to isolate her and have a private conversation (Which, of course, is a MUST if you want to take her home that same night.)
The word-for-word line you can say to a guy who is on a date that allows YOU to sneak in on his date right under his nose! (I'm personally not into stealing women from other men. but I have to admit, this is pretty smooth.)
Mystery's Top InstructorsBreakdown The Mystery Method,Step-By-Step In addition to Mystery himself, you'll hear from Mystery's top 3 instructors, Savoy, Sinn, and DJ. Masters in their own right, these guys are out in the field every single weekend conducting workshops and boot camps. and are some of the best in the business. Here are some the strategies and tactics you'll learn from them:
A complete breakdown of the famous "Mystery Method" by those who know it best (Simply seeing this amazing system laid out before you will give you a whole new perspective on the way ATTRACTION works. and how to create it quickly and SYSTEMATICALLY)
How to make a woman EARN your attention (When she sees you as a PRIZE she will do almost anything to hang out with you. and in this awesome presentation, Sinn shares his hard-hitting yet easy-to-learn secrets for doing just that)
A secret way to approach a woman that goes "under the radar" because she doesn't feel you are "hitting" on her
How to show interest in a woman in a way that makes her see you as a CATCH instead of an ass-kissing CLOWN
How to make a woman qualify herself to YOU and literally BEG for your attention (The word-for-word lines Sinn shares for doing this are ultra-smooth. and all you need to do is memorize them and USE THEM.)
2 ways to pass a woman's tests that make you look MORE attractive in her eyes . and one great way to flip things around and out HER on the spot (This is the key to gaining INSTANT respect and admiration. and I suggest you use it often)
Simple questions to ask a woman when you are ready to "reel her in" and close the deal that practically do all of the work for you
How to use "Negs" - An awesome "attitude buster" that will make even the most "stuck up" woman see YOU as the one with the status
How to avoid becoming a "social robot" and instead use these skills to attract women with the ease of a "natural" (The reason why many men work HARD to meet women and have no luck is because they miss this)
How to tell stories in a way that captivates a woman and makes her curious about you
How to present your "nerdy" hobbies in a way that makes women find them---and you---attractive
The 3 rules to being a GENUINE guy (Miss just one and women will smell a fake)
2 cool fashion accessories that will make women notice you and give them an easy way to start conversations with you
Zan Many of the attendees felt that we saved the best for last. The next guy you'll hear from is a man whose experiences with beautiful and exotic women would make Casanova himself jealous. and I'm not kidding. Zan is a true natural who has been a womanizer as long as he can remember. One of his many adventures includes the time when EIGHT of his girlfriends got together and threw him a lingerie birthday party. His wild tales (with pictures to back them up) have made him a legend in the community. and the knowledge and insights he shared at this program made it easy to see why. In his first ever recorded appearance, Zan reveals the secrets of his charming and mysterious style that women find irresistible. Here are just a few:
The secrets of the small group of men that move from one woman to another with ease (The amazing thing about these men is that women KNOW they are "players". but DON'T CARE. and actually enjoy it! If you didn't realize that WOMEN enjoy "carefree" sex too, prepare for an eye-opening experience.)
The incredible secrets of one of the UGLIEST seducers of all time. and how you can use them to consistently date "out of your league"
The REAL secrets of the "natural" seducers - Here's how you can create your own luck and design your life so women come to you without YOU even trying
A great line to say to a woman---stolen from Don Juan himself---that you can say when she asks you how many women you have been with to turn her on and make her hot for you
A new romantic way to structure a relationship that women love and leaves you with your freedom (Many of the attendees reported that this changed their entire outlook on relationships. and chances are it will do the same for you. The best part about setting up a relationship this way is that it makes a woman LONG to be with you at all times. and NEVER want to leave you.)
How to let a woman know you are a sexual "bad boy" that gets a lot of women in a way that makes her want to be one of them instead of thinking you're a "player" or a "jerks"Here Is A Sample Of What You'll Learn:
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Over 18 hours of high quality, digitally recorded material on 10 DVDs
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That's way I personally like to do business. I like to try something out and make sure it's really what it is supposed to be before I buy it.
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2005-12-14T21:14:00.000-08:00

Whaddup peeps!We are proud to introduce the first Episode of our Flash-game series. Let's see if you have what it takes!www.playboyskool.com/episodes.asp

Body Language

2005-12-12T17:17:00.000-08:00

How to Tell if a Woman is Interested in You

By observing a woman's body language and reactions to you, you can determine if she is interested in you. Listed here are 12 positive signs that she may be interested in you:

Big smiles with upper and lower teeth showing with a relaxed face.

She gazes in your eyes with deep interest and her pupils are dilated (this could be mistaken from her taking drugs).

Biting of the lips or showing of the tongue, licking her lips or touching of her front teeth.

While talking to you she is slowly stroking her cocktail glass up and down with her thumb and index finger.

If she is wearing a see-thru top, you can see that her nipples are getting hard while talking to you and looking at you.

She starts sitting straight up and her muscles appear to be firm.

Her crossed leg is pointed towards you or if that same leg is rocking back and forth towards you.

She raises or lowers the volume of her voice to match yours.

She rubs her chin or touches her cheek. This indicates that she's thinking about you and her relating in some way.

She blows smoke straight out from between her lips and towards you.

She winks at you while talking to you or winks at you from a distance.

She exposes the palms of her hand facing you.

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The Approach

2005-12-10T22:26:00.000-08:00

The Key to Creating Loyal and Long
Lasting Relationships

If there's one thing I'm able to do well, it's get loyalty in my relationships.

It was a hard-won battle, though... if any of y'all know my story, I got into the game when my girlfriend whom I loved dearly slept with one of my friends.

It put me into a slump for a while, but eventually I crawled out and started working on my social skills. And the ride's been amazing... one of the best things to ever happen to me.

But even months, maybe years into my development, I was sleeping with girls but not able to convert them to girlfriends. I was doing something 'wrong'.

As it turns out, it's one of the reasons I reached the level I'm at. Of the first half-dozen, dozen women I slept with after getting into the community, there's a few I'd have settled with if they'd have settled with me.

But they didn't. That nagging problem. Sex but no conversion. No girlfriend. No loyalty.

Over time, I developed the skills to hold down relationships through trial and error, and actually came to excel in them. When you start off below average in something and work hard, you've got a lot of potential to get very good if you're driven.

Now, the exciting part.

Recently, I've been codifying what I do to convert my girls so well. To get such loyalty. I want something done? I snap my fingers, it's done.

Open loyal relationships, where I sleep with other women, she knows it, and most of them don't sleep with over men. Not to the mention that the girls cook for me, come over to my place and clean it when I tell them to, take me to dinners and buy me gifts.

And of course, sex when, how, and how much I want, whenever I want, however want. That's just a given.

My paradigm:

Everyone has problems in their life. All people are unhappy about some stuff, some of the time. Even the most together people around, when you get to know them well, have plenty of problems.

There's only two ways to deal with these problems we have. You distract yourself from them, or you find a solution to them. Either you're doing nothing, or doing something.

And everyone likes both distractions and solutions.

The key is, you must work in a general positive direction on your problems. Control your distractions, or even make them positive ones like exercising or a creative project on the side.

This isn't difficult.

But the key to loyalty in relationships is that you must be a solution for the girl, not a distraction. Or at least perceived as such.

Men try to fix problems in a logical way. You might too.

But often this isn't the best way to fix a woman's problems. I'll refer you to the readings of Franco Zarathustra on this one, his writings on here are very comprehensive on how to deal with women and be a positive force on their life without falling into traditional "guy problems".

So if you want real loyalty, you must be seen as a solution for the woman. You don't have to be actively fixing her problems.

You just need to be a solid bastion in her life, or seen as a potential solution down the road. If you can make her feel safe or protected, you're acting as a solution. If she sees you as a potential marriage partner, she sees you as a solution. If she is a better person around you, who can express her hopes and dreams, you're a solution.

So what was I doing wrong before?

I was acting purely as a distraction. My old style of socializing with women was all about entertainment in the early stages, and hedonism if it got any further than that.

I made her forget her problems for a bit.

But I never acknowledged that she had any problems in her life. Or that I did.

It was just a fantasy. If you're just a distraction to her, she can toss you for any other distraction. Liquor, entertainment, other men, drugs, whatever.

If you're a solution, she'll become extremely loyal. To the point where she'd give her life to save yours.

Now allow me to give some credit to my good friend Woodhaven. When I was breaking down my this conception to him a bit back, he and I started talking, and we flushed out another element of the solution/distraction idea.

Everyone needs distractions in their life to some extent. And the more reliant on distractions someone is, the more they need to function.

Strong people with a good focus can interact positively with each other to the gain of both with minimal distraction. The more reliant someone is on distraction, they made need intoxicants to simply converse with someone on a basic level.

What this means in terms of gaming:

The more a woman's life is filled with distractions, the more of a distraction you'd need to be up front to bed her.

So if you don't want women of lesser mental and emotional caliber, play a game based strongly on mutual value, and make an effort not to be an entertainer. This will automatically screen out most low self-esteem women.

On the other hand, some of the hottest women turn heavily to distraction. Drugs, drinking, partying, men. If you want a woman like this, early game based on distraction/entertainment will be effective.

You need to balance the two. I, myself, do what I call two-tiered screening.

When I approach a woman, I like to keep the options of what I am and could be to her open. I find out if she's a girl that's capable of mutual value escalation (a term for two people benefiting at the same time, and neither losing) and if she's a quality girl.

If she is, I won't entertain. I'll relax, talk with her, and keep it light and fun. When the moment is right, I'll bed her, then I'll hold her close and tell me everything she holds close to her.

I'll rock her back and forth and let her cry in my arms. Even if I don't do anything specifically to fix her problems, she will feel my strength and feel safe and grounded.

That's best-case for me.

On the other hand, if she fails the first round of screening, but I'd still like to bed her for some reason I'll go to playing a game based on distraction and entertainment. I'll focus on having a high impact, charged encounter, with lots of outrageous stuff.

This approach is about being the best distraction available to a woman. Being more fun than drinking and drugs, and more of a good time than any of the other guys around.

If your goal is to sleep with as many women as possible, becoming the best distraction from their lives will help in your promiscuity.

If your goal is to cultivate loyalty and solid relationships, then becoming a solution by self-improvement and game based on being a leader and mutual value is the answer.

If your goal is to sleep with any particular woman, or have a very high conversion rate, then you need to become good at assessing the balance of distraction and solution the specific woman in front of you has.

There are masters of all three of these arts. And they are all useful, wonderful things to learn.

If you want to the learn the game that'll help you attract beautiful women, especially those in high-distraction areas like nightclubs, I recommend the writings of Mystery and Tyler. They have some powerful things to this end, especially to help stand out against your environment and competition.

If you want loyalty in the end, you'll need to be able to transition your role in her life from distraction to solution. To that end, I suggest reading Player Supreme. He has some excellent writings on this, and blends spirituality and practicality well.

If you want the highest of conversion rates, read about men who subtly demonstrate that they can be a solution through light, subtle and playful distractions. Men like Razorjack, Vincent, and Zan excel at this - It's a style where your distractions themselves communicate that you could be a solution, and while difficult to grasp at first, is very rewarding.

These styles aren't mutually exclusive: They simply take a while to learn, but the effort is well-worth it. If you can master all three, you can get literally anything you want from women anywhere in the world by snapping your fingers.

Sebastian Drake

Sebastian Dimitri Drake

2005-12-09T17:24:00.000-08:00

Attraction Defined in a Precise Way to Empower You to Generate Attraction From Any Woman

A definition of attraction - and a way to consistently to get attraction from any girl - is long overdue. Perhaps the two most missunderstood parts of the community are attraction and one of the pieces of it, value.

I'll set the record straight, and give you a gameplan for how to attract any woman in the world, as well as give specific examples of how attraction works. Since many people are familiar with it, I picked Neil Strauss' New York Times Bestseller The Game for my examples on how attraction works - I'll use a few excerpts from the book to explain how this all works.

Attraction is something desireable to someone, that much is obvious. But to create the kind of real, almost-tangible attraction that'll cause a woman to sleep with you, you need two components:

The Two Components of Attraction Are Value and Deservedness.

I will explain both.

"Value" is value for her life, based on her perceptions. What is valuable is unique to every single person, but pattern of what is valuable can easily be seen. Some things are almost always seen as valuable, and some things are almost always seen as detrimental to value. But the value of any given thing to a person is different for that person than another.

What does this mean? A giant script will not appeal to every single woman. At best, a script can mass-appeal to a man's target audience. Many sorority girls might have similar value for each other, so if you wanted that demographic, a script that's useful on many could be devised. But for broader categories, like "college girls", you'll need knowledge of how value works for different people.

There are many traits that are almost universally valuable (and thus, attractive). These should be almost universally developed, so that you're perceived as having them with minimal effort on your part. This includes confidence, charisma, leadership, intelligence, quick wit, sharp instincts, health, wealth, a strong sense of survival, purpose, adaptability, and so on. Very, very, very few women find these traits unattractive, so it's in every man's best interest to appear to have these.

This can be done in one of three ways.

1. Develop the trait: If you become confident, you will appear confident. If you become healthy, you will appear healthy. Et cetra.

This is the path that takes the longest to achieve out of the three, but is the easiest once you've achieved it.

2. Develop the appearance of the trait: "A prince need not possess princely qualities. He merely needs the appearance of princely qualities." - Niccolo Machiavelli

Machiavelli is largely right. If you're not confident, nor a leader, it is still in your best interest to develop the body language and walking patterns of a confident leader. This will give you the appearance of these things, the benefit of which is twofold: You'll be perceived as having the quality (useful in your immediate interactions) and by being perceived as having it, you might actually develop the quality ("fake it 'till you make it" at work). Developing the appearance of a quality you don't have is actually a great way to help develop that quality.

3. Demonstrate you have the quality any time the occasion arrises. This is the fastest way to show one person you have a trait about you, but the least efficient way to show the world you have a quality. A good example for this would be kino: It demonstrates you're comfortable with yourself and comfortable around others (among other things).

If a man wants to demonstrate he's comfortable with himself and around others, one way might be to kino. After he achieves a base proficiency in kinesthetic interaction (kino, touching other people in a normal way), he can do so consciously to appear to be comfortable with himself and around others.

Over time, his kino will become automatic. At his point he's developed the appearance of the trait, and most people he will meet will perceive him as comfortable with himself and around others.

Finally, if he allows his belief system to develop, he'll come to actually be comfortable with himself and around other people. At this point, no conscious technique or tactic is necessary: He has simply become a person who is comfortable with himself and around others. Because this is a universally attractive trait, he is now always a more attractive man and he knows it.

Outside of universally attractive things are things that are attractive to specific women. A gold-digger wants money and status. A 28-year old working professional may be looking for a stable husband/father type man. A 34-year old divorcee may be looking for a feeling of youth and excitement. A young girl may want maturity OR want fun and popularity. Or both.

What any given woman wants is different based on the woman. But you can make generalizations. I always ask students what type of relationships they're looking for, and what their "type" is. Age, ethnicity, nationality, and social class are all ways that you can make an intelligent guess about what is attractive to a woman. It's why many pick-up artists have to adjust their techniques when moving to a new location. Even in the same nation, such as the cities of Atlanta and New York City, there are some differences in what the majority of people are looking for.

That said, fine-tuning your game to your "type" is great, but a master's proficiency in pickup will let you adjust what you're demonstrating to the specific girl you're with - and know exactly what to demonstrate.

Cultivating Deservedness:

Part of attraction is value. A large part. If you appear to have no value for her life, something that she'd specifically want, than it doesn't matter how much of the second part, deservedness, you cultivate.

But it is relatively easy to appear to have value. If you have even some semblance of "a life" then you've got some value. If you do some basic things to improve your life (or alternatively, the appearance of having improved your life) then value won't be your problem.

Attraction is not exclusively value. Value is a part of attraction, and necessary for it, but the second necessary component for attraction is deservedness.

Deservedness is broken into two parts: Attainability, and effort. Both require a comprehensive explanation and guidelines on how to produce these feelings in a woman.

Attainability, first, may confuse some. In all of life, people seem to strive for the unattainable. Something just a step beyond them.

But these things always seem to have some attainability to them. Think about it like this: While you may enjoy looking at a centerfold in a magazine, you are more likely to fall madly in love with the girl next door. Though a centerfold prompts a lot of physical attraction in you, you do nothing to actually GET the centerfold (well, most people...).

This comes down to an important concept called the Auto-Rejection Mechanism. In short, if someone believes they have no chance, they won't try. It's the reason master pick-up artists often struggle trying to pick up ugly girls: The girls have no sense of entitlement, so they don't let themselves get attracted and get hurt.

You can see examples with people aiming for a bit more than they have, too. The people that get very attracted to wanting a yacht are people that can either afford it or come close. Rarely will you see someone that is very poor strongly desire a yacht. Since it does not have attainability in their mind, they can not be seduced by the idea.

The second part of deservedness is effort. Specifically effort the woman puts in.

This is all based on the Cost-Value Conception. In short, Cost-Value says this: You will value something that costs a lot over something that costs little, largely irrospective of their real value. If you've ever won a stuffed animal at an amusement park or carnival, you know what I'm talking about. While you might not even take one for free if they're handing them out on the street as a promotion, by winning it at the carnival (putting in effort and probably more money than thing is worth) it gains a lot of value. The cost determines the value.

When a woman is forced to work for something, she will want it more. However, in the beginning, if she sees it as unattainable, she likely won't want it. This is largely true of men, too. While a man might like and desire a beautiful woman he sees passing, or a model, he's more likely to grow very attached to a woman he had sex with who broke up with him, or a woman who keeps saying she really likes him as a friend.

To make someone attracted to you, you simply need to have value and for them to feel deservedness. For value, you need value for their life. There are universally valuable/attractive things like confidence, charisma, health, wealth, loyalty, faith in oneself, purpose, fun, leadership, survival ability, and so on, there are also traits that are more or less valuable/attractive at different points in a woman's life. Some of these, like wealth and fun, are universally good but are larger priorities for some women than others. Other characteristics, like danger, eccentricity, risk-taking, and so on may be very attractive to certain women, but unattractive to others. It is a sad testament that even many traits that are mostly UNattractive are attractive to certain people, such as abuse and control. These people are mentally unhealthy, and though I advise you to stay away from them, it's worth noting that sometimes negative traits may be attractive to certain types of women at certain points in their lives.

For deservedness, make sure they feel you are attainable. This would mean not demonstrating all kinds of value to them without them knowing why: This makes you look desperate most of the time, but the worst part is that it can make many normal women feel insecure and that you're unattainable even when you do it well! Solid screening and qualifying can increase their sense of your attainability if you know how to target your questions and responses. The "special advantage" that Vincent is always talking about making her feel like she has is another good way.

The second part of deservedness is having her put in effort. If a woman works for a man, even just a bit, she'll be more attracted to him and want him more. Over time, you can use this to change the compliance scales between you two and make sure you keep getting compliance out of her. The result will be that she feels she's earned you and wants to keep you. If you continue to bed a woman for long periods of time, and she isn't helping you build your lifestyle, then you may run into problems where she isn't putting in enough effort and doesn't feel like she's worked for you, and therefore deserves you. So she loses attraction.

Examples from The Game by Neil Strauss:

I choose The Game by Neil Strauss as a teaching tool for this article. It's a cool read, and instead of using anecdotes from my own life of which I'm obviously biased, I can use a well-known good guy and objectively point out why people are or aren't attracted to each other in the book. I'll use some short excerpts and reference the page numbers, so y'all can read up the background at home if you have a copy.

On pages 312-317, Neil starts doing an interview of Britney Spears, a very coveted celebrity. He gets her phone number in a feat of true prowess, but is waffling on calling her.

THE GAME PAGE 317:
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"Just call her," Mystery constantly prodded me. "What do you have to lose? Tell her, 'Can you not look like Britney Spears? We're going to do some crazy shit, and we can't get caught. We're going to wear wigs, climb up to the Hollywood sign, and touch it for good luck."

"If I had met her socially, fine. But this is a work assignment."

"You're playing the game at another level now. When the article is finished, it isn't an assignment anymore. So call her."

But I couldn't do it. If it had been Dalene Kurtis, the Playmate of the Year, I would have called her back in a second. I had no fear of women like that anymore. I felt worthy. I'd proven that over and over since meeting her. But Britney Spears?

One's self-esteem can only grow so much in a year and a half.
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MY COMMENTS:

You see Neil deciding against calling her because he thinks she's unattainable. The telltale lines are, "I had no fear of women like that anymore. I felt worthy." (shows he feels Dalene Kurtis is attainable to him) And "One's self-esteem can only grow so much in a year and a half." (shows he doesn't think Britney is attainable)

Now, if Britney had wanted Neil, she could have fostered a sense of attainability about herself for him. A phone call or two, or perhaps something akin to some of the techniques we use to ground herself as an average person beneath all the celebrity. And if she had done that, Neil would have became much, much attracted to her than he was.

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Towards the end of The Game, Neil becomes very attracted - and eventually goes completely exclusive for - a woman named Lisa. What did Lisa have that the other girls didn't? Well, she had value for his life, being beautiful, intelligent, and with a better personality than most of the girls Neil has met. And since Neil is a top-notch Pick-Up Artist, he feels all women are attainable: He's unlikely to feel an Auto-Rejection Mechanism except on the most elite of celebrities.

But what about work? At this point in the book, Neil is used to getting huge amounts of compliance from the women in his life. He runs his game for a while and they like it. He phase-shifts and kisses them. They begin to fall ga-ga for them, and if necessary, he uses his techniques to blast LMR and bed them. When and how he pleases.

THE GAME PAGE 365
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I held her eye contact and moved toward her for the kiss, holding the camera in front of us to capture it.

"I'm not kissing you," she barked.

The words scalded my face like hot coffee. There was no girl I couldn't kiss within a half hour of meeting her. What was her problem?

I froze her out and tried again. Nothing.

It is in these moments that, as a PUA, you start to question the work you've done on yourself. You begin to worry that maybe she sees the real you, the one who existed before the silly nickname, the one who wrote poems about this exact situation in high school.

I delivered a moving, impassioned performance of the evolution phase-shift routine. Somewhere in the distance, I heard a thousand PUAs applauding.

"I'm not biting you," she said.

I wasn't through. I told her the most beautiful love story ever written: "On Seeing the 100 Percent Perfect Girl One Beautiful April Morning" by Haruki Murakami. It is about a man and a woman who are soul mates. But when they doubt their connection for a moment and decide not to act on it, they lose each other forever.

She was ice cold.

I tried a hardcore freeze-out: I blew out the candles, turned off the music, turned on the lights, and checked my email.

She climbed into my bed, curled up under the covers, and went to sleep.

I finally I joined her, and we slept on opposite ends of the bed.
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MY COMMENTS:

There is no doubt at this point in the book that Lisa will end up with Style if she wants him. She has value for his life, he feels she is attainable to him, but he will be made to work for it. If he "catches" her in the end, he will be astronomically more attracted to him than if she had bedded him that evening.

The old addage that a woman must make her man wait to have her for him to respect her isn't necessarily true. But it is one of the simplest and easiest ways of making a man work to get her and become more attracted.

The only way, the absolutely only way Lisa could lose Neil at this point in the novel is for his sense of attainability to fall off. This would be a difficult proposition, but because Style is a man of some character and self-esteem, he won't hang around forever if she makes it clear she won't be his. The value is there. He's worked for her. Now, if she keeps herself appearing attainable, she can have him when she likes him.

THE GAME PAGE 368:
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So we [Neil and Lisa] spent another platonic night together. It was driving me crazy. I knew she liked me. But she wouldn't get intimate. I was teetering on the border of being LJBF'ed.

Maybe I just wasn't her type. I imagined her with tattooed, muscle-bound, leather-jacketed Danzig types, not a scrawny metrosexual guy who had to take pickup workshops. She was killing me.

For the first time since I'd learned the word one-itis, I knew that I was doomed. No one ever gets his one-itis. He gets too clingy and needy and blows it. And, sure enough, I blew it.
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MY COMMENTS:

At this point, Neil is questing whether she's attainable or not. And then when she blows him off later, leaving him at the airport with a limo, liquor, and a fancy date planned, his sense of her attainability is near-gone. He continues to pursue her, but details on page 372 that he leaves a message for her and she doesn't call back.

Neil does his thing, and goes on a little tear of his own, sleeping with a bunch of different women. He thinks of Lisa from time to time, but you can even see what happens in the pacing of the book: There's barely a mention of her for the next 24 pages as he talks about sleeping with other women and all the ProHo drama. Though no one can be sure, pick-up artists would like to think Neil didn't spend all his time pining over Lisa in the days that passed until he ran into her again. Though this will happen occasionally with women, most of the time high self-esteem men won't think constantly over a one-itis once the sense of attainability is gone. At the very least, they're unlikely to take rational action unless the woman first makes a move of her own.

Which Lisa does, incidentally. If you've read the book, you know what happens. She shows up in her convertible, and Neil is ecstatic. She expresses interest in him on page 396 and his sense of her attainability is back.

THE GAME PAGE 410:
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[Strauss:] "So what made you drive up the hill the other day to see me again?"

[Lisa:] "while you were gone, I realized how much I missed you." I loved watching her lips part over her front teeth when she talked. It made me think of salmon on rice. "My friends were making fun of me because I was counting down the days until you came home. I actually went grocery shopping while you were gone so I could cook you food. I don't know why." She hesitated and smiled, as if she were offering information she'd never planned to divulge. "I bought a fresh piece of swordfish and had to throw it away because it went bad."

A warm flush of confidence filled my chest. So I still had a chance with this girl.
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MY COMMENTS:
Neil, again, sees Lisa as attainable and you can actually see him immediately feel attraction! She says she misses him, and then he thinks about how much he loves watching her lips part over her front teeth. He analogizes it to salmon on rice.

This is going to lead to more effective seduction on her part: She likes him, and with all the work she's made him put in, she has a definite shot at exclusivity with a top-notch pickup artist if she wants it. Her own "game" is definitely top of the line.

The rest of pages 410 and 411 are provide even better examples. Why did Lisa act the way she did and lose attraction for Neil? She, herself, wasn't sure about his attainability. She was thankfully sure enough to reengage him, but there was a little mixup that caused her Auto-Rejection Mechanism to set in - and tell a guy that she liked that he had no chance.

She's not rejecting Neil, she's rejecting HERSELF! This is what happens when the sense of attainability is removed.

THE GAME PAGE 410
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"But it's too late," she said. "The window was open with me, and you blew it."

David DeAngelo would have said to go cocky funny here. Ross Jeffries would have said not to buy into her frame. Mystery would have said to punish her. But I had to ask: "How did I blow it?"

"First off, you didn't call me when you came home from Miami. I had to go to you."

"Hold on. I thought you were blowing me off. You never even called while I was away."

"Well, your voice mail said you were out of town and you weren't receiving calls, so I didn't leave a message."

"Yeah, but I would have returned your call. I wanted to hear from you."

"Then you came to Whiskey Bar and hardly talked. And the last straw was when we went to your house to go surfing. I told Sam I was starting to like you again and she said, 'Get over it. When I went up to his room to use the bathroom, I found a used condom on the floor.'"

My brain leaped up and slapped itself. I had been careless: I'd forgotten to throw away the condom I'd used with Isabel. So that's what Sam and she were whispering about in the car on the way to Malibu.

"So then why did you agree to go out with me tonight?"

"You asked me out on a proper date. And you were a little nervous, so I figured you must really be into me."

I propped myself up on the pillows. I was about to say the most AFC thing of my life. "Let me tell you something. The pickup artists have a word they call one-itis. It's a disease that people get when they become obsessed with just one girl. And they never end up with this girl because they get too nervous around her and scare her away."

"So?" she asked.

"So," I said. "You're my one-itis."

We were looking each other in the eyes now. I could see hers sparkle. I knew mine were sparkling. It was time to kiss her.

There were no lines, no routines, no evolution phase-shift--I'd tried them all unsuccessfully anyway. I leaned in. She leaned in. Her eyes closed. My eyes closed. Our lips met. It was just like I'd always thought a kiss was supposed to begin.

For hours, we lay there making out and dissecting the connections and misunderstandings of the past few weeks.
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MY COMMENTS:

You can see her ARM (Auto-Rejection Mechanism) in motion. "I told Sam I was starting to like you again and she said, 'Get over it. When I went up to his room to use the bathroom, I found a used condom on the floor.'"

"I told Sam I was starting to like you again" is a classic example of attraction rebuilding. Neil invites Lisa surfing, so Lisa thinks Neil is attainable. Attraction grows. But then Sam tells Lisa about the condom on the floor. Attainability fades. Attraction fades.

BUT, Neil Strauss is a man of exceptional character, and shows why he's been crowned one of the best pick-up artists of this era. Though he's not exactly sure why, he knows intuitively that David DeAngelo's advice is based on making her work for him, which isn't the answer. Ross and Mystery are suggesting to do things that demonstrate traits of independence and choice, which also isn't necessary.

So Neil opens up and shows Lisa he's attainable. He goes as far as to tell her that he's obsessed with her: And it works. The value for her life was there (Neil's a great guy with a good career and lots of interesting stuff going on). She's had to work for him, charming and seducing him. When he shows her that he's attainable to her, she falls for him.

Deciding to be faithful now, Strauss sets about dumping his other girlfriends.

THE GAME PAGE 411:
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"So you're choosing her over me?" Isabel asked angrily.

"It's not an intellectual choice."

"Is she better in bed or something?"

"I don't know. We've only kissed."

"So you made out with some girl," she said, with a weak attempt at a cruel laugh, "and you want to get rid of me now."

"It's not that I want to get rid of you. I'd still like to see you, but as a friend." I could hear the word pierce her heart like a dagger, as it had my own heart so many times before I'd joined the community.

"But I love you."

How could she love me? She needed to go fuck a dozen other guys to get over her one-itis.

"I'm sorry," I said. And I was.

There is a downside to casual sex: Sometimes it stops being casual. People develop a desire for something more. And when one person's expectations don't match the other person's, then whoever holds the highest expectations suffers. There is no such thing as cheap sex. It always comes with a price.
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MY COMMENTS:

Neil, in a way, touches on value and working for someone here. Neil has more value for Isabel's life than Isabel has for Neil's life. And Isabel has worked harder for him (been more compliant for lower rewards, as per Vincent DiCarlo's Value/Compliance model) than he has for her. The two combined together means she feels she deserves him and is attracted to him - so of course it hurts. Many men that read this will understand how Isabel felt.

While it's not nearly as common for women to feel this pain as men, it does happen. She was attracted to him: Neil had value for Isabel's life, and she felt she deserved him (he was attainable because she had already been bedding him, she worked to get him by accepting terms she didn't like such as non-exclusivity).

Or I could be completely, totally off-base with my comments, and other stuff was going on.

Though I won't ruin the specifics, I'll let you know there is a happily-ever-after to this book, and Neil and Lisa do metaphorically ride off into the sunset together.

As for creating attraction in your own life, remember this formula:

Attraction = Value + Deservedness

Value is the value for her life. Cultivate the appearance of all universally attractive traits, and selectively demonstrate specific traits to specific women.

Deservedness is comprised of two elements. The first is attainability: If a woman thinks you are unattainable, her Auto-Rejection Mechanism will kick in. She'll blow you off so she doesn't feel hurt, and then backwards-rationalize it, halting attraction from growing and sometimes killing it all off. So you must let feel that you are potentially attainable. Conscious tactics for this include screening, qualifying, and making her feel like she has a special advantage. It can also be accomplished with looks and certain body language and tonality.

The second part of deservedness is the woman working to earn you, the cost/value conception. When someone works hard for something, they feel like it should be belong to them and it's to be prized. She'll feel like she deserves to be with you and she'll be attracted to you because of it.

Use these teachings wisely, friend. I documented some examples and you can see how negative emotions ran through some good people because of some missteps in attracting each other. These techniques can be a bit powerful and can mess with a woman's head, so do make sure to, as Neil puts it, not violate Ross Jeffries' only ethical rule of seduction: Leave her better than you found her.

Yours,
Sebastian Dimitri Drake
Swashbuckling Pick-Up Artist

Double Your Dating

2005-12-09T07:02:00.000-08:00

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I've been teaching men how to become more successful with women and dating for a several years now... and one "problem scenario" just keeps coming up OVER AND OVER... and OVERand OVER and OVER again... ...and it's really amazes me. I'm going to refer to it as "The Genius Failure Paradox". "The Genius Failure Paradox" is the tendency for UNUSUALLY intelligent men to have very LOW levels of success with women and dating. After contemplating this particular paradox, discussing it, and working on it for an awesome amount of time, I'd like to share my thoughts about it with you. I assume that if you've read this far, then you see probably yourself as smarter than the average guy. You know that you're a little different than other guys. You probably realized at a young age that you saw things differently, and thought differently than others in school... And you've probably realized that your smart mind gives you an advantage over others in many areas of life... Your smart mind gives you a particular type of advantage that can be very, very powerful in life: YOU'RE USUALLY RIGHT. Smart people get used to being "right", because they usually ARE right. And when you're RIGHT more often than others, you can get ahead in many situations. But unfortunately, this smart mind of yours can actually be WORSE than USELESS when it comes to a key area of life: WOMEN AND DATING. By the way, I did say WORSE than useless. It can actually be like having a hammer when you need to tighten a bolt. If you use the tool you have for the job, you'll most likely make the situation WORSE. Of course, it's hard for a smart guy to even IMAGINE a situation where his smart mind could HURT his chances for success... But trust me, this is one of those situations. So relax, open your smart mind, and let me share with you the ten reasons why smart guys fail with women... and what to do about it.REASON #1 from Doubleyourdating: THEY'RE WRONG, BUT THEY CAN'TOR WON'T SEE IT OR ADMIT IT I mentioned that smart guys are used to being RIGHT in most situations. And what do most smart guys do when they come across a situation where they're WRONG? They find a new situation... one that fits their strength. They know they'll be right next time, so they just walk away... knowing that it won't be long before they're right again. (OR they let the "problem situation" destroy them... more on that later.) Well, the BITCH about being wrong when it comes to women and dating is THERE'S NOWHERE TO RUN AND HIDE. There's no quick "I'm right" around the next corner to make you feel better. It only takes "failing" with a few women in a row for a smart guy to see the pattern... and realize that something isn't working. Solution? Think harder. A smart guy just assumes that his logic must be good... so he just keeps thinking harder. But when no success comes, it really startsto become mentally difficult. Accepting that you're wrong is a VERY hard thing for a "smart guy". Accepting that you're not only wrong, but you have NO CLUE WHERE TO EVEN START is even more difficult. Ultimately, many smart guys come up with the following logical conclusion: I AM A SMART GUY, THEREFORE IF I CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE SUCCESSFUL WITH WOMEN AND DATING, THEN THE PROBLEM MUST NOT BE SOLVABLE OR WORTH SOLVING. Try that on for a self-defeating idea.REASON #2 from Doubleyourdating: THEY'RE BLIND AND ARROGANT In short, many smart guys refuse to accept that a good, solid, workable answer could come from someone "dumber" than them, so they discount any idea that comes from an "obviously less intelligent person" before trying it. Let me ask you a question: If you were going to be walking across Africa on foot, would you rather have your guide be the guy on this planet with the highest I.Q., or a caveman who lived a million years ago that had an I.Q. of about 50... but who grew up being chased by lions and all kinds of animals that wanted to eat him all his life? It's an interesting question. Now, hopefully you'd like to have the guide who isn't the smartest guy around... but who has escaped from many, many dangerous situations with deadly animals... But now let me ask you: If you'd like to learn how to be more successful with women and dating, would you take advice from a guy who isn't very intelligent, but who knows how to attract women? There's something about being smart that makes some guys unwilling to accept input, ideas, or instruction from anyone who isn't either as smart or smarter than them. Well, any SMART GUY can see the folly in this particular approach... once it's examined closely. If you've been making this mistake, then you need to STOP IT. Stop being an arrogant bastard, and open your eyes. Look around. Learn from some "dumb" guys... and let them teach you how to get what you REALLY want.REASON #3 from Doubleyourdating: POOR SOCIAL SKILLS It BLOWS MY MIND how many smart guys I meet that just don't GET IT when it comes to basic social skills. It's as if they have logically reasoned that social skills are for lower beings who need to play games... and not worth the time it would take to learn them. In fact, I believe that there are a lot ofsmart guys running around this planet who don'teven have "social skills" and "be a cool guy that people like" in their "MENTAL MODEL" of what it could possibly take to be successful with women and dating. Social skills are just that... SKILLS. They're not social INFORMATION. They're not social THEORIES. They're social SKILLS. And you don't get them by THINKING about them. You get them by GETTING them. Excellent social skills are the foundation for good communication with other humans... and if you don't have good social skills, you dramatically lower your chances for success with women.REASON #4 from Doubleyourdating: THEY PSYCH THEMSELVES OUT Smart guys do something that fascinates the hell out of me... They come up with all the reasons why everything WON'T WORK when it comes to women and dating. They actually figure out why what they would like to do will probably fail... They use their amazing creative imaginations to imagine all kinds of horrible pictures and scenes... and then they use those imaginary outcomes to create negative emotions... which ultimately stop them from having success with women and dating. THEY DON'T EVEN TRY. Now, if you've thought something through and come up with a good reason why it would fail, it makes sense to not do it, right? I mean, why would you want to do things that are going to fail? It's sound logic, but HORRIBLE thinking when it comes to the REAL WORLD... and success with women. Because smart guys don't UNDERSTAND women, and they don't UNDERSTAND what it takes to be successful with women, they are working with bad figures. They're wrong before they even start figuring! Using your mind to come up with all the reasons why things won't work in this area of your life leads to ULTIMATE FAILURE. You must learn to overcome this habit if you have it.REASON #5 from Doubleyourdating: THEY SEEK ONLY "INFORMATIONAL SOLUTIONS" What does a smart guy do when he runs into a problem... or he needs to figure something out? He looks for INFORMATION to help him solve the problem. MORE INFORMATION is always the answer. Information is the friend of a smart guy. Got a strange virus on your computer? Just hop on the internet and search for how to eliminate it. Don't know how to change the alternator on your car? No prob. Just buy the manual and turn to page 147. Don't know the definition of a word? Open up your dictionary. MORE INFORMATION solves the problem. So what do smart guys do when it comes to overcoming a problem with women? They want MORE INFORMATION. They think the answer lies in learning just ONE MORE TECHNIQUE... or one more magic concept. Well what if there were a situation in life where the "get more information" strategy actually made things WORSE? How would you even know that it was making things worse? Now, I don't want to suggest that learning more about how to be successful with women is a bad thing. It's not. But if you have a problem that is EMOTIONAL or PHYSICAL in nature, then reading five million theories on it probably isn't going to help you very much. You need to get out in the real world and try some stuff! You need to look at the REAL problem... the ROOT of the problem. When it comes to women and dating, there's a very good chance that you have MORE than enough "information". Smart guys often use "more information" to distract them from TAKING ACTION. I've heard this referred to as "Creative Avoidance". Nod silently if you've ever figured out a creative way to avoid facing something in your life. Good, thank you.REASON #6 from Doubleyourdating: THEY FOCUS ON LOGIC INSTEAD OF EMOTION NEWS JUST IN: Women don't feel ATTRACTION for men who make them THINK. Women feel ATTRACTION for men who make them FEEL. So what do most smart guys do when they first meet a woman? EXACTLY! They get into a LOGICAL CONVERSATION. I'm shaking my head right now... Smart men try to engage women in LOGICAL conversations and interactions because that's where THEY feel comfortable... not knowing that they're SHOOTING THELSEVES IN THE FOOT by doing it! Get this: A monkey sitting at a typewriter will type the collected works of Shakespeare before you will make a woman feel ATTRACTION for you by engaging her in logical conversation. When you start a logical conversation with a woman you've just met, you are basically taking out a NEON SIGN that says "I don't get it when it comes to women" and putting it on your head. Typical "logical" conversations include talking about work, family, school, and jobs... discussing politics, religion, weather... and anything that has to do with math, science, or INTELLIGENCE. On the other hand, if you start talking to a woman and you say "OK, so tell me something... Why is it that all women say that they want sweet, nice guys... but they all date sexy, selfish bad boys?" (and then make fun of any answer she gives) you're having an EMOTIONAL conversation. If you don't know what I'm talking about, keep reading. You need more help than I thought.REASON #7 from Doubleyourdating: THEY'RE NOT USED TO THE CHALLENGE OF THE MOMENT Smart people usually have time to THINK about things. If you're taking a test, you can sit there and work out the answers. If you have a math problem, you can work on it until you've figured it out. If you're trying to fix something, you can keep working on it until it's fixed. Smart guys are used to being able to take at least a LITTLE bit of time to prepare and show off their "good sides" in most situations. Not so with women... If you don't know what to do at every step along the way, you'll be shut down very quickly. Women have an AMAZING "He doesn't get it" radar system. Women have all kinds of subtle and ingenious tests that they throw at men to separate the "get its" from the "don't get its". And if you don't get it, then you're going to fail one of these tests VERY quickly. But the worst part is that you won't ever KNOW that you were being tested... OR that you failed. Smart guys aren't used to dealing with complex EMOTIONAL and COMMUNICATION challenges in the moment... and especially the "women and dating" kind. One of they keys to becoming more successful with women and dating is learning to handle all of the tests that women throw at you effortlessly. But before you can learn how to deal with the tests, you must first learn how to communicate on an emotional level, how to demonstrate that you have fundamental social skills, and how to keep your cool in the moment.REASON #8 from Doubleyourdating: THEY THINK THAT DOING "NICE" THINGS IS THE "SMART WAY" OK, let me ask you a trick question: If I told you that you were going to have a date with the supermodel of your choice, which of the following would you choose as a "smart" way of preparing: 1) Find out what her favorite type of flowers are, and show up with a dozen of them so she would be "wowed". 2) Learn about her favorite travel destination so you could discuss it with her. 3) Find out what her favorite type of food is so you could take her to dinner... and she could see that you cared enough to choose something that she enjoyed. OK, time's up. Which did you choose? Now, I already mentioned that this was a TRICK question. The answer is NONE OF THE ABOVE. But WHY? These three options all seemed logical, right? I mean, why WOULDN'T you want to show up with her favorite flowers? Why WOULDN'T you want to talk about her favorite places to travel? Why WOULDN'T you want to take her to eat her favorite foods so she enjoyed herself? Go with me here... Smart guys think that they're being CLEVER when they do things like buying a woman her favorite flowers... and bringing them to the FIRST DATE. Right? In their minds, they're thinking "I'm going to be the guy who is thinking ahead... and I'm going to show up with the flowers that I KNOW she loves... and she's going to see them and like me more because of it". Makes sense... good math, right? Well the one teensy-weensy mistake that these "smart" guys make is not realizing that it doesn't actually take a smart person to think like this! In fact, ANY jackass can figure out how to kiss a woman's ass. And guess what? WOMEN KNOW THIS! And guess what else? EVERY WUSSBAG DOES THIS STUFF. An intelligent guy, in his proud arrogance, will think he's being such the charmer by using this "thoughtful" approach... ...and the woman he is chasing will interpret it as just another Wussy who's trying to MANIPULATE her. Ouch. Another blow to intelligence.MISTAKE #9 from Doubleyourdating: ALWAYS NEEDING TO BE THE EXPERT Have you ever met a smart guy who always needed to be "right"? Have you ever met someone who would actually argue with you about something they knew nothing about... and make a fool of themselves because they just couldn't shut their "smart mouths"? Over the last few years helping guys improve their success with women, I see this one pattern over and over again... Smart guys don't like to be "beginners" at ANYTHING. They don't like the idea of screwing up... especially if others are watching. They want to maintain this "smart guy" image of themselves... so they try to always be "The Expert" at whatever they do. Instead of saying "Hey, you know what? I'm a beginner at this... how do I do it? What should I do first? What next?"... and instead of being totally OK with screwing up, making mistakes, and making a fool of themselves in front of others in order to LEARN... ...they won't risk embarrassment, failure, or others thinking that they're beginners... so they wind up ultimately FAILING. MORE NEWS JUST IN: It's OK to be a beginner.MISTAKE #10 from Doubleyourdating: THEY CAN'T DEAL WITH FEAR AND OTHER EMOTIONS A smart guy's STRENGTH is his MIND. His WEAKNESS is often his EMOTIONS. Smart guys are often IMMOBILIZED by FEAR. Totally stopped. FROZEN. And since many smart guys aren't comfortable dealing with things they're not good at, they just repress or RUN away from fear. Many men would rather DIE in lonely isolation than admit that they don't know how to deal with their emotions... or, GODFORBID, ask for help! Hey, I went for YEARS like this. I know what it's like. But the reality is that any guy can learn to handle and even MASTER his emotions (even fear)... if he just takes the time and effort to learn HOW to do it. If this is you, then do yourself a big favor... take the time. Take the effort. Don't worry about what anyone else thinks of you... it doesn't matter. What matters is you doing the things that YOU need to do FOR YOU. ...I think the reason why I'm so fascinated with "The Genius Failure Paradox" is because I have had to struggle with all of these issues for a lot of years of my life. Now, I'm not saying that I'm the smartest guy on the planet... But I don't think mamma raised no fool. And it always bothered the hell out of me that even though I was so good at figuring things out, I couldn't figure WOMEN out. Something tells me that you know what I'm talking about. Well, after beating my head against the wall for a few years... trying all kinds of crazy "logical" stuff... I finally got the "bright" idea to start studying guys who were "naturally" good with women. Of course, I found out that you could be both NOT SMART, and VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH WOMEN at the same time. I also learned that you can be SMART and VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH WOMEN too. By carefully studying what the "naturals" did with women... and learning how they "thought" about the topic, I began to realize that success with women wasn't entirely LOGICAL. Much of what I learned was very tough for me to accept... because my logical brain just didn't want to buy into it. One thing I saw was guys pushing women away from them... and having the women then chase them in response. Made no sense at all. I saw guys tease beautiful women and make jokes about them to their faces... and then watched those women become "little girls" in response... unable to maintain their composure, and therefore unable to maintain their manipulative power... It took me quite a long time, but I continued to learn, test, and refine what I was learning until I personally figured out how to approach women in any situation... get any woman's number I wanted anytime I wanted... date any type of woman I wanted... ...and most importantly, GET RID of that "empty" feeling that I carried around my whole life because I didn't know how to attract women. And once I got this area of my own life together, I decided to help other guys get this area of THEIR lives together. The ultimate result of all this time, effort, and energy is my free Dating Tips Newsletter.
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